Ed Farrell
@edfarrell.bsky.social
Liverpool history enthusiast and artist
Well spotted. And no support/brickwork visible through the archway. Here and in Shaw the tower itself seems too slender to hold tanks. R.S. Fitzgerald has some great bridge/station detail. Nothing on this - though "the Navigation Company was to be provided with an 18ft cartway across the bridge".
December 8, 2025 at 8:49 PM
Well spotted. And no support/brickwork visible through the archway. Here and in Shaw the tower itself seems too slender to hold tanks. R.S. Fitzgerald has some great bridge/station detail. Nothing on this - though "the Navigation Company was to be provided with an 18ft cartway across the bridge".
Yes, you are right Vrs. Interesting at least to see the OS conventions through. Here are some examples on site of support structures within an underpass - walls/columns etc. Assuming consistency.
Sometimes these problems simply end up being a scientific guess in the absence of supporting images.
Sometimes these problems simply end up being a scientific guess in the absence of supporting images.
December 7, 2025 at 5:07 PM
Yes, you are right Vrs. Interesting at least to see the OS conventions through. Here are some examples on site of support structures within an underpass - walls/columns etc. Assuming consistency.
Sometimes these problems simply end up being a scientific guess in the absence of supporting images.
Sometimes these problems simply end up being a scientific guess in the absence of supporting images.
Discussion board re: a potential reverse view of the Liverpool Road arrivals station. Possibly v arcane problem, but views, images, opinions, ridicule, superior knowledge etc. v welcome as ever.
December 6, 2025 at 2:27 PM
Discussion board re: a potential reverse view of the Liverpool Road arrivals station. Possibly v arcane problem, but views, images, opinions, ridicule, superior knowledge etc. v welcome as ever.
A further speculative study. (Lpooll Rd. terminus, Manchester): how the arrivals station may have looked in a) 1835/6 and b) 1837/8. Assuming the latter an open fronted building at 2nd floor (2 colonnades). Extensive carriage wharf inside; Many stables, stores, kitchens below. Pedestrian exit??
December 4, 2025 at 6:44 PM
A further speculative study. (Lpooll Rd. terminus, Manchester): how the arrivals station may have looked in a) 1835/6 and b) 1837/8. Assuming the latter an open fronted building at 2nd floor (2 colonnades). Extensive carriage wharf inside; Many stables, stores, kitchens below. Pedestrian exit??
Developing views on the viaduct and possible 1836 arrivals position (below). A mistake to place arrivals here?? - scores of passengers, tons of luggage, road carriages; unless there was some easy way off. Would a Water street footbridge fit, or indeed help? Did the S slope serve only the cistern?
December 3, 2025 at 3:49 PM
Developing views on the viaduct and possible 1836 arrivals position (below). A mistake to place arrivals here?? - scores of passengers, tons of luggage, road carriages; unless there was some easy way off. Would a Water street footbridge fit, or indeed help? Did the S slope serve only the cistern?
Thanks Ant. The maps Iv e seen so far of the 'new' arrivals station are fairly blocky. So had a first shot at imagining it from OS entirely speculatively! Is there some detail somewhere?
December 3, 2025 at 12:23 PM
Thanks Ant. The maps Iv e seen so far of the 'new' arrivals station are fairly blocky. So had a first shot at imagining it from OS entirely speculatively! Is there some detail somewhere?
The engine house shown in this pre 1905 view. Assume the small not the large chimney
December 2, 2025 at 11:52 PM
The engine house shown in this pre 1905 view. Assume the small not the large chimney
A clearer view of Piggot's 1836 map. It does seem to show the engine house (built 1831? Hence absent from early views?). But other arrivals features on the N viaduct are not shown? apart from the slope on the S side seen in Bury et al. Assuming btw all buildings mapped on the N side are dye works
December 2, 2025 at 11:49 PM
A clearer view of Piggot's 1836 map. It does seem to show the engine house (built 1831? Hence absent from early views?). But other arrivals features on the N viaduct are not shown? apart from the slope on the S side seen in Bury et al. Assuming btw all buildings mapped on the N side are dye works
Great thanks Ant. That's quite significant. I had been wondering why the gap at the west end of the warehouse versus the Piggot map. So it ran the full width...
December 2, 2025 at 10:15 AM
Great thanks Ant. That's quite significant. I had been wondering why the gap at the west end of the warehouse versus the Piggot map. So it ran the full width...
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might be useful to share this, admittedly rudimentary (between walks) sketch for next 1835 version. Some assumptions obvs. Not sure how the early arrivals colonnade fits in the space. Assume still crossed the lines??
might be useful to share this, admittedly rudimentary (between walks) sketch for next 1835 version. Some assumptions obvs. Not sure how the early arrivals colonnade fits in the space. Assume still crossed the lines??
December 1, 2025 at 8:20 PM
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might be useful to share this, admittedly rudimentary (between walks) sketch for next 1835 version. Some assumptions obvs. Not sure how the early arrivals colonnade fits in the space. Assume still crossed the lines??
might be useful to share this, admittedly rudimentary (between walks) sketch for next 1835 version. Some assumptions obvs. Not sure how the early arrivals colonnade fits in the space. Assume still crossed the lines??
Great reads both. Haven't yet seen the paper on the station Ant.
December 1, 2025 at 5:23 PM
Great reads both. Haven't yet seen the paper on the station Ant.
A cloudless Windermere day
November 26, 2025 at 10:26 AM
A cloudless Windermere day
Fascinating. Ooh, there's a plaque! I'm inclined to agree Vrs.
A desultory sketch. Not that Im going to attempt this but couldn't resist a guess while in a caff. Be worth a build Vrs, especially interiors. Im refining the 1836ish scenario thanks to your expert research skills
A desultory sketch. Not that Im going to attempt this but couldn't resist a guess while in a caff. Be worth a build Vrs, especially interiors. Im refining the 1836ish scenario thanks to your expert research skills
November 22, 2025 at 2:43 PM
Fascinating. Ooh, there's a plaque! I'm inclined to agree Vrs.
A desultory sketch. Not that Im going to attempt this but couldn't resist a guess while in a caff. Be worth a build Vrs, especially interiors. Im refining the 1836ish scenario thanks to your expert research skills
A desultory sketch. Not that Im going to attempt this but couldn't resist a guess while in a caff. Be worth a build Vrs, especially interiors. Im refining the 1836ish scenario thanks to your expert research skills
Looking more carefully, there was a passageway from that left doorway with doors and windows presumably to the stores/stables and on the other side...
November 21, 2025 at 1:05 PM
Looking more carefully, there was a passageway from that left doorway with doors and windows presumably to the stores/stables and on the other side...
I have now Vrs, thanks so much. Though struggling to get decent clarity. Some views of the earlier scenario, including an interesting one by Shaw showing the same cluster of buildings but still an issue re identification
November 20, 2025 at 3:47 PM
I have now Vrs, thanks so much. Though struggling to get decent clarity. Some views of the earlier scenario, including an interesting one by Shaw showing the same cluster of buildings but still an issue re identification
And presumably this residual facade was the entrance? Though then two storeys??
November 20, 2025 at 3:35 PM
And presumably this residual facade was the entrance? Though then two storeys??
At the Manchester end of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A sketch giving the context for the Liverpool Road terminus. Mid 1830s.
November 19, 2025 at 2:56 PM
At the Manchester end of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A sketch giving the context for the Liverpool Road terminus. Mid 1830s.
Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A description of how the rail-track or 'permanent way' developed.
November 17, 2025 at 1:43 PM
Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A description of how the rail-track or 'permanent way' developed.
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A new project to illustrate all 31 miles of the L&MR with information panels along the way. First steps.All aboard..
A new project to illustrate all 31 miles of the L&MR with information panels along the way. First steps.All aboard..
November 14, 2025 at 7:53 PM
@lmrailway.bsky.social .
A new project to illustrate all 31 miles of the L&MR with information panels along the way. First steps.All aboard..
A new project to illustrate all 31 miles of the L&MR with information panels along the way. First steps.All aboard..
Continuing research into the Edge Hill engine station, an approximation of the rope winding mechanisms that operated through the Wapping tunnel for dock-bound goods wagons (gravity out/cable back).
November 1, 2025 at 4:34 PM
Continuing research into the Edge Hill engine station, an approximation of the rope winding mechanisms that operated through the Wapping tunnel for dock-bound goods wagons (gravity out/cable back).
Re: previous post. Edge Hill Engine Station - mid 1830s. How trains were detached from locomotives and rope-hauled to Crown Street station.
October 25, 2025 at 11:55 AM
Re: previous post. Edge Hill Engine Station - mid 1830s. How trains were detached from locomotives and rope-hauled to Crown Street station.
Continuing research into the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, a new and more historically accurate version of the Edge Hill Engine station illustration - mid 1830s. Showing the connection between it and Crown Street Passenger station - top right - via a 290 yard tunnel.
October 25, 2025 at 11:27 AM
Continuing research into the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, a new and more historically accurate version of the Edge Hill Engine station illustration - mid 1830s. Showing the connection between it and Crown Street Passenger station - top right - via a 290 yard tunnel.
Watercolour reconstruction of Liverpool waterfront area around Mann Island and the warehouses/pubs of 'Nova
Scotia'. 1890. Including docks, foreground buildings serving the cross-Mersey underground railway and - just in - George's dock (right) later filled in to build the 'three graces'.
Scotia'. 1890. Including docks, foreground buildings serving the cross-Mersey underground railway and - just in - George's dock (right) later filled in to build the 'three graces'.
December 11, 2024 at 3:17 PM
Watercolour reconstruction of Liverpool waterfront area around Mann Island and the warehouses/pubs of 'Nova
Scotia'. 1890. Including docks, foreground buildings serving the cross-Mersey underground railway and - just in - George's dock (right) later filled in to build the 'three graces'.
Scotia'. 1890. Including docks, foreground buildings serving the cross-Mersey underground railway and - just in - George's dock (right) later filled in to build the 'three graces'.
Re: previous post - some annotated features.
December 7, 2024 at 6:42 PM
Re: previous post - some annotated features.