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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Which colonialism are we talking about? British? Qatari? Ottoman? Chinese? Russian? Iranian? Arab? Italian? American? Mongolia? cro magnan?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

So which is it? this 👆or that 👇 “Palestinians are genetically closer to the inhabitants of 2000 years ago than the average Israeli. ”

mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

So you are all-for all the other ethnostates in the Middle East but vehemently against a Jewish one?

mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

You assume I have some skin in the fiesta of human misery that Palestinians and Israelis have fully committed to. I don’t.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Apartheid was indefensible. Protest, activism and leadership with vision beyond hate and division ended it. The moral high ground does ultimately matter, and you can’t win that ground by starving kids, or raping, pillaging or murdering.
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In Honor of Nelson Mandela: When, if ever, is violence justifiable in struggles for political or social change? (video) - Harvard Law School

A panel of scholars gathered at Harvard Law School March 14 to examine the legacy of Nelson Mandela with a discussion about the use of violence for political or social change.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

You won’t ever have a winning argument if your only plan is to criticize and promote violence hatred and conflict. It only leads to more of that.

mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

So what do you call Palestinians who commit terrorism? martyrs?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

So a majority Palestinian state. A theocracy? A democracy? A secular state? How are you going to maintain minority rights. There is no middle eastern state where minority rights are adequately protected, so how do you propose to do it?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

How about calling for all violence to stop.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

The river to the sea is a call for extermination and you know it. The rabid hatred on both sides is toxic and must stop.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

By that logic anyone should be able
To invade another state without consequence. Since states have no right to exist might should make right in your world.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

And what are you doing to encourage peace instead of hate and violence?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

There are a lot of Jews who also feel (quite rightly) that they could not exist in Israel without a state. Especially with people like you threatening their safety.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

America has some concerning signs it is creeping toward that direction. But neither meet that definition currently. Unlike several other states across the planet including in the Middle East.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

I said it was really bad but not the same as ww2 or Hiroshima or Rwanda. Would you rather it be worse so everyone agreed with you?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Go ahead and define fascism for me.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

For one, the numbers of people killed is an order of magnitude different. Hyberbole.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

It can be awful (and genocide) and still not get a pass and be different. Two things can be true at once.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Your words.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Ok. So by That logic you will also eliminate all the ethno states in the Middle East? Thats going to leave a lot of people stateless

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Sure that is true in some cases. Doesn’t make your use of the same abhorrent argument any more justified.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Pleade enlighten me Bill about the non ethnostates of the Middle East.

mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

They are legal entities run by humans. With very real
Implications for very real human lives . You think that one state in particular shouldn’t exist. Why? What would you propose as an alternative?

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

Wow you are saving Jews from “being a target for their enemies” by denying their right to exist in Israel? that is some high levels racisti mental gymnastics.

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mountainrangifer.bsky.social @mountainrangifer.bsky.social · 1d

No?

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