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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 18d

(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 24d

For the record, cops were called when Rina was almost trafficked and cops did investigate Marl. But because the victim who had enough evidence on hand to instigate an investigation didn't want to cooperate it didnt go anywhere.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Putting your head in your ass and claiming the documentation and evidence is fake just because it could be possible for someone skilled to fake it (which isn't true for 90% of it. You cant fake web archives, dumbass) isn't skepticism in the same way that flat earthers aren't skepticism

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Im personally done wasting my time with this uninformed moron who thinks only with their ass

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

You have done nothing but make bold claims with no evidence, flip-flop on your stances and demand proof for uncontested basic facts of this situation you claim to be informed of the truth of the matter on.

I knew interacting with you would be a waste of time, but holy fucking shit.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

I'm sorry, but if you think web archives of public pages made by the accused, victim testimony from known individuals who used to be a part of the community and discord chat logs are the same as unsourced dms of someone unknown going source:trust me bro then I think you should see a doctor.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

They're not hiding it.

Sam has defended the community. Sam and others in Floraverse leadership make art for each other regularly.

You can go into the Floraverse server and see them with a moderator role.

Why are you talking about this without knowing the most important, basic, uncontested facts?

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Your speculative dms from who knows where are not even relevant.

I have no reason to believe gothgator was lying about anything he has told me.

BUT let's say, strictly for the sake of argument, that he was lying.

Sam is still involved with the well documented abusive group remains a fact.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

If I go on an alt account, dm myself nonsense, censor the screen shot to avoid naming myself as the source does it actually become a source? No. It doesn't.

Where are your sources sources? Things you and I both can use to verify that what they are telling you are true?

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Incredibly disingenuous - if not an outright lie to call Sam's continuous and on-going present-day involvement with an abuse group "old ass drama".

Don't'cha think?

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

For the record. Lagovirt doesn't use kiwifarms as a source at all in this video. He doesn't have a citation list, but from what I can tell his sources include gothgator ( direct victim testimony.), floraverseisacult.com (a website put together by victims.), and tumblr call out posts.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Meanwhile I have been happy to provide the evidence that Floraverse is abusive. I will do so again for you, just to be nice.

floraverseisacult.com

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

You still have yet to actually make a real point for me to even discuss.

All you have done is flail around, claim to have evidence, decline to share said evidence, claim you're not discrediting the abuse floraverse has done to people, then discrediting the abuse floraverse has done to people.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

I am not talking about Lagovirts video. How Lagovirt covered the topic is not relevant to the facts of what we are discussing.

I am talking about how Sam is heavily involved in & enables an online community that has emotionally and sexually abused a lot of people.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

I don't care what you, or anyone really, think of me personally as an individual.

I care about the abuse victims, and I care about the facts. Anonymity keeps the focus on both.

If you are unable to recognize that, or simply do not care for the facts & victims, then that is a personal problem.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

I thought you said you were not discrediting the abuse that has happened within the Floraverse community?

Do you recognize the fact that the Floraverse community has abused people since its inception?

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

No one reasonable is saying Sam is solely responsible for all of the abuse that went on and continues to go on within Floraverse.

But, it is also unreasonable to say someone as heavily involved in a group as rife with abuse as Sam is with Floraverse has no responsibility to the abuse they enable.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Sam could have, at any moment, in any of these instances since they joined, spoke out against the abuse. Assisted those being abused. Walked away. Anything.

They instead chose to watch on, agree with the abuse, and further embeded that culture of abuse within the community.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Sam sat idly by and watched when friends of mine were sexually abused. Sam sat idly by and watched as people got bullied and emotionally abused by the community, and agreed with the abusers. Sam has a position of power in the community.

A cog in the abuse machine has responsibility to the abuse.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

You said you had proof that the allegations of abuse within the floraverse community are fabricated.
We went to extensive lengths to document evidence of these allegations.

floraverseisacult.com

If you want to be taken seriously when discrediting victims, you need to do more than "dude trust me".

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 25d

Fox Flux started development when Marl was still in the community - 2017.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 26d

They also know that if they don't hide the specifics of what they're arguing in favor of by blocking that they out themselves as shit human beings.

Like no shit theyre shy about defending groomers who make revenge porn inspired by their victims COCSA and the time the groomer actually raped someone.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 26d

Crazy take I know, but people should have to actually show real progress on becoming better people before others write off their past abuse as "things that are no longer relevant to who they are as people."

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 26d

To answer your question "who are the bad guys in this story", there are obvious people to point to, like Marl, like kiwifarms gawking at the sides - both are true, but any answer that leaves out mention the leadership in the Floraverse community, of which Sam is a part of is woefully insufficient.

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(unofficial) Floraverse @floraverse.bsky.social · 26d

But - Marl was just one of the abusive individuals in the group.

Singular. One of many.

Floraverse has abusive tendencies baked into its culture. It has enabled and protected other abusers like Marl.

I would be here all day if I went into details, so here:

floraverseisacult.com/glitchedpupp...

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