zindrelle
@zindrelle.bsky.social
committed to liberation and the refusal of domination.
Revolution cannot end after we've abolished the state, it must continue until those who operate with sovereignty outside of the state cease to exist.
#anarchism #communism #revolution
#anarchism #communism #revolution
January 10, 2026 at 11:12 PM
Revolution cannot end after we've abolished the state, it must continue until those who operate with sovereignty outside of the state cease to exist.
#anarchism #communism #revolution
#anarchism #communism #revolution
Imagine going through with all of this, and inevitably just creating another system that someone else speaks about the same way we speak about capitalism. Revolutionary politics are supposed to end the cycle. How are you here dying on a hill about some shit that would reproduce equal domination.
January 4, 2026 at 9:32 PM
Imagine going through with all of this, and inevitably just creating another system that someone else speaks about the same way we speak about capitalism. Revolutionary politics are supposed to end the cycle. How are you here dying on a hill about some shit that would reproduce equal domination.
And once you cross that line, that line's just crossed. And eventually, decades later, future generations might end up overthrowing anarchism with the same bitter taste capitalism leaves in our mouths.
January 4, 2026 at 9:32 PM
And once you cross that line, that line's just crossed. And eventually, decades later, future generations might end up overthrowing anarchism with the same bitter taste capitalism leaves in our mouths.
I'll tell you this my friend, I don't even disagree with most of what you said. I'm just trying to make you aware of the fact that the method you're promoting very easily slips in to stages of domination and hierarchy because of how close it plays into capitalist hero/villain logic.
January 4, 2026 at 9:32 PM
I'll tell you this my friend, I don't even disagree with most of what you said. I'm just trying to make you aware of the fact that the method you're promoting very easily slips in to stages of domination and hierarchy because of how close it plays into capitalist hero/villain logic.
It's not that difficult to follow my argument, my argument is not that abstract. You dodged my point again which is cohabitation and constant reactive conflict where we are always placed defensively will destroy our movements before the real fighting even starts.
January 4, 2026 at 9:32 PM
It's not that difficult to follow my argument, my argument is not that abstract. You dodged my point again which is cohabitation and constant reactive conflict where we are always placed defensively will destroy our movements before the real fighting even starts.
you seem to want domination over who can revolt and be valid, ultimately recreating the self justifying logic of state almost instantly and it's why anarchism can never work without recreating dominance. Because even right wingers can revolt for valid reasons however rare, and you'd give them one.
January 4, 2026 at 4:40 PM
you seem to want domination over who can revolt and be valid, ultimately recreating the self justifying logic of state almost instantly and it's why anarchism can never work without recreating dominance. Because even right wingers can revolt for valid reasons however rare, and you'd give them one.
Such a situation would easily slip into a pseudo apartheid state. If anyone has the firepower to constantly push back against resistance, they have too much power even if it's allies and we'd be holding that over them, which is just as bad as them holding theirs over us.
January 4, 2026 at 4:40 PM
Such a situation would easily slip into a pseudo apartheid state. If anyone has the firepower to constantly push back against resistance, they have too much power even if it's allies and we'd be holding that over them, which is just as bad as them holding theirs over us.
you're beyond the notion of regrouping and building, before we just engage in active war with capitalist?
What does it even look like to cohabitate with them and need to constantly police the reactions that they have to existing somewhere that's incompatible with them.
What does it even look like to cohabitate with them and need to constantly police the reactions that they have to existing somewhere that's incompatible with them.
January 4, 2026 at 4:40 PM
you're beyond the notion of regrouping and building, before we just engage in active war with capitalist?
What does it even look like to cohabitate with them and need to constantly police the reactions that they have to existing somewhere that's incompatible with them.
What does it even look like to cohabitate with them and need to constantly police the reactions that they have to existing somewhere that's incompatible with them.
That isn't to say I think we're powerless by any means, though. I just don't like the implication that we've somehow already won these battles that we haven't even begun. So much needs to fall into place for your theory to work,that just won't.
January 4, 2026 at 4:40 PM
That isn't to say I think we're powerless by any means, though. I just don't like the implication that we've somehow already won these battles that we haven't even begun. So much needs to fall into place for your theory to work,that just won't.
Everything you've said hinges on the idea that we've somehow already succeeded.
But you're deliberately dodging the main point I made, which is that if we choose to endlessly fight with capitalists trying to cohabitate, our movements will die.
But you're deliberately dodging the main point I made, which is that if we choose to endlessly fight with capitalists trying to cohabitate, our movements will die.
January 4, 2026 at 4:40 PM
Everything you've said hinges on the idea that we've somehow already succeeded.
But you're deliberately dodging the main point I made, which is that if we choose to endlessly fight with capitalists trying to cohabitate, our movements will die.
But you're deliberately dodging the main point I made, which is that if we choose to endlessly fight with capitalists trying to cohabitate, our movements will die.
The moment we allow capitalists to trap us in an endless cycle of devotional violence as opposed to emancipatory violence, we play right into the same traps anarchisms most successful movements ultimately fell to.
January 4, 2026 at 2:49 AM
The moment we allow capitalists to trap us in an endless cycle of devotional violence as opposed to emancipatory violence, we play right into the same traps anarchisms most successful movements ultimately fell to.
It still would kill our movements to be on the defensive always against capitalists who will enjoy having us scrambling to stabilize every conflict we could have prevented by stepping back and regrouping to better face an enemy that can extract resources and use them far faster than us.
January 4, 2026 at 2:41 AM
It still would kill our movements to be on the defensive always against capitalists who will enjoy having us scrambling to stabilize every conflict we could have prevented by stepping back and regrouping to better face an enemy that can extract resources and use them far faster than us.
If your first reaction and only solution is to choose an endless cycle of reactionary conflict over the bodily autonomy of the very comrades we're supposed to be liberating you will give us the worst possible start at coherence we can possibly have, it's how anarchism always lets domination creep in
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
If your first reaction and only solution is to choose an endless cycle of reactionary conflict over the bodily autonomy of the very comrades we're supposed to be liberating you will give us the worst possible start at coherence we can possibly have, it's how anarchism always lets domination creep in
... Basically put the capitalists in social time-out when they're beyond negotiation and mutuality, placing all of our comrades in a pointless and strategically avoidable conflict that all of our comrades can't and shouldn't have to be forced into without informed consent and ideological purpose.
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
... Basically put the capitalists in social time-out when they're beyond negotiation and mutuality, placing all of our comrades in a pointless and strategically avoidable conflict that all of our comrades can't and shouldn't have to be forced into without informed consent and ideological purpose.
if I were to suggest relocation of our movements instead of cohabitation and constant conflict you'd likely think I'm leaning into some exclusionary logic when in fact such an act places the needs and immediate well being of our comrades above the need to...
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
if I were to suggest relocation of our movements instead of cohabitation and constant conflict you'd likely think I'm leaning into some exclusionary logic when in fact such an act places the needs and immediate well being of our comrades above the need to...
2. This is especially true because anarchism has moral pillars it isn't willing to negotiate on even in favour of preventing the reproduction of domination. It's too ossified and constrained by too many non-negotiables when you only need one "don't reproduce domination for any cause".
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
2. This is especially true because anarchism has moral pillars it isn't willing to negotiate on even in favour of preventing the reproduction of domination. It's too ossified and constrained by too many non-negotiables when you only need one "don't reproduce domination for any cause".
1. Ideological cohesion will be lost if we must constantly rationalize violent escalations to keep up with the likely volatile pushback from capitalists, causing systems of domination to creep in, justified by situational peril and escalation of conflict
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
1. Ideological cohesion will be lost if we must constantly rationalize violent escalations to keep up with the likely volatile pushback from capitalists, causing systems of domination to creep in, justified by situational peril and escalation of conflict
See, this one of the weaknesses I was able to identify and why I left anarchism as a primary philosophy. Because two things will happen if we find ourselves constantly on the defensive like that....
January 4, 2026 at 1:17 AM
See, this one of the weaknesses I was able to identify and why I left anarchism as a primary philosophy. Because two things will happen if we find ourselves constantly on the defensive like that....
4/4 anarchism also has too many ossified constraints and moral dilemmas to keep up with the moral ambiguity of capitalism and how dark that shit can get. While I respect anarchy and believed in it for many years, I can't help but recognize the limitation of why we lost to capitalism historically.
January 4, 2026 at 12:13 AM
4/4 anarchism also has too many ossified constraints and moral dilemmas to keep up with the moral ambiguity of capitalism and how dark that shit can get. While I respect anarchy and believed in it for many years, I can't help but recognize the limitation of why we lost to capitalism historically.
3/4 The tribalistic reward structure of the capitalist mindset makes movements like anarchism or anything more humanist completely illegible to everything that they believe. It strikes too close to their identity to be productive trying to co-habitate with them for me.
January 4, 2026 at 12:13 AM
3/4 The tribalistic reward structure of the capitalist mindset makes movements like anarchism or anything more humanist completely illegible to everything that they believe. It strikes too close to their identity to be productive trying to co-habitate with them for me.
2/4 A major fracture point I can see in maintaining cohesiveness would be the fact that capitalists culturally inherited capitalism, as opposed to leftists who likely end up reaching whatever political conclusions they make with informed research or lived, struggles and experiences.
January 4, 2026 at 12:13 AM
2/4 A major fracture point I can see in maintaining cohesiveness would be the fact that capitalists culturally inherited capitalism, as opposed to leftists who likely end up reaching whatever political conclusions they make with informed research or lived, struggles and experiences.
1/4 As much as I like the sound of that and agree, how would we maintain cohesiveness? I get the distinct impression the capitalists within will resist violently even if such a future gave them a better life.
January 4, 2026 at 12:13 AM
1/4 As much as I like the sound of that and agree, how would we maintain cohesiveness? I get the distinct impression the capitalists within will resist violently even if such a future gave them a better life.
I see where I went wrong. Apologies for that. It initially sounded like you were promoting something far more violent than it needed to be that's my b for the misinterpretation.
I still don't see how we could get to what you're describing, It sounds like the myth of bureaucratic improvement.
I still don't see how we could get to what you're describing, It sounds like the myth of bureaucratic improvement.
January 3, 2026 at 10:47 PM
I see where I went wrong. Apologies for that. It initially sounded like you were promoting something far more violent than it needed to be that's my b for the misinterpretation.
I still don't see how we could get to what you're describing, It sounds like the myth of bureaucratic improvement.
I still don't see how we could get to what you're describing, It sounds like the myth of bureaucratic improvement.
Can't see the op but putting that loaded question asside here's a short read of some very tangible instances of successful anarchist anti-imperialist pushback that contributed significantly to the development and structure of modern liberatory frameworks.
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/luci...
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/luci...
Towards a history of anarchist anti-imperialism
Lucien van der Walt Towards a history of anarchist anti-imperialism In this struggle, only the workers and peasants will go all the way to the end March...
theanarchistlibrary.org
January 3, 2026 at 10:03 PM
Can't see the op but putting that loaded question asside here's a short read of some very tangible instances of successful anarchist anti-imperialist pushback that contributed significantly to the development and structure of modern liberatory frameworks.
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/luci...
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/luci...
...and that it's not just another way you reproduce domination and hierarchy in a way that makes you inconsistent with anarchism and liberation in general.
January 3, 2026 at 7:55 PM
...and that it's not just another way you reproduce domination and hierarchy in a way that makes you inconsistent with anarchism and liberation in general.