Yeah but Musk might yet be the world’s first trillionaire. I bet most of those 600,000 died with their fingers crossed hoping he makes it.

I think that is…..not entirely true, even if not entirely false.

Yeah fair play but what the hell are TQ students if they aren’t LGB…?

As you said in your reasonable thread - ) Football hooliganism is *never* just about football.
It is about all that is going on relevant to the team(s) involved and in this case it does very much include, as part of a broad mix, anti semitism. But the safety issues should prevail and they have.

That is a good thread and,might I suggest, I would have read and probably liked if I hadn’t come across your post that started this thread.

My meaning is in the text not in the gaps between. You assume what you like, but I have been careful not to name groups because I know them to be diverse. Maccabi aren’t all virulent hooligans and anti Maccabi certainly are not all Muslims, we see that most weeks at the pro Palestine marches.

You started by talking about people arguing for the rights of football hooligans, as if that is the entire issue when Maccabi visit. Patent bollox , frankly. It does involve hooligans but this situation has far more layers than bloody Legia Warsaw.

Your words not mine. The police can manage 2 or 3 thousand fans if it is just that & set of home fans. If it is wider than that they may struggle. That non football local element in this case will be pro Palestine & pro Hamas. They’ll be all sorts & some will of course be Muslim but by no means all.

Look I’m done. We can’t police it so ban them. Might be the right decision and they aren’t coming even if the ban is lifted, which is a decision made for the safety of a majority of their own travelling fan base, whilst acknowledging they have a problem with minority elements within it.

Yeah fine, he’s our problem

Quite circular this little chat. High risk match but mainly because of non football politics. Maccabi are not special, they are just from Israel. The ban may well be fair enough but says as much about our own violent non football thugs as it does about the Maccabi travelling support.

Yes, Liverpool. And many. Trouble with this particular situation is that it isn’t about football hooligans seeking each other out but about the identity of one set of fans. Maybe they should be banned, we can’t police the locals from either whack camp.

I know it isn’t unique in those terms. It is unique or extremely rare at least to ban a supporter group because of trouble that the local
Police in the city in question didn’t report as the direct fault of those away supporters. Not that some of them didn’t get very involved.