I pray you get well soon, man! Been a month for illness. x.x

This child is getting WILDLY out of wing...

Truth is, all of us are normies, and everyone knows it. Calling only some people "normies" is often popular, though.

That is absolutely perfect. Well done, Lauri. XD

We're grateful to have you too, man. Blessings to you.

As proof that he would never use it again
The Frowch spent three years whittling his pin-bat thin
To this day, no one has ever seen the Frownch grin.
But they say no Who loves quiet
nearly as much as him.

The Frownch, he was saddened, with a True Sad,
He couldn't remember what had made him mad.
Without all the vigor that his anger had
He finally rested, and all Whos were glad.

The Frownch he would rave!
The Frownch he would shout!
He beat on the walls, ran 'round about
They had no choice but to take his voicebox out!
At last he was exhausted, and just laid about.

Within they all tossed the old scraggily Frownch
Forcing him to sit still on the Frumpiest Couch
Sixty thousand and seventeen times he said "ouch"
Each counted, and placed into the Counting Pouch!

So! With the last new pointy hammering-nail,
Hammered in by the good Mr. James H. McKrail
The Hammer-Who, who above all was not frail
He fastened the last board of the new Whoville Jail.

The awful things that the Frownch did pursue
I do not need to tell any Who
They all know, and so do you!
I will tell you now, what all Whoville did do:

I think that's fair expectations, if not definition, hence "Roguelike" and not "Rogue clone." We agree here that thanks to procedural generation, the territory is different every time, regions notwithstanding.

I never played Majora's, myself. Someday I will. (Hope springs eternal for a N64 mini)

Yep. I'd argue Majora's Mask isn't a roguelike at all, though this is also a thing and I think you're right about that. Surely obfuscation by marketing has not helped!

"Roguelike" means "territory is different every time."

Sure, though it's not map-and-territory, rather that the territory no longer exists.

Aye. And if we extend the idea all the way through, it's always some sort of limited "dungeon" or confined area that's always different, which can be defeated and the skill the hero gains can be brought outside, which is fair.

Otherwise, what has one actually overcome? Won't be there next time.

Yes.

Multiplayer isn't even the problem, really. It's the whole online-only MMO thing...this right after roguelikes, with the belief that people always want a fresh experience.

These are important and formative narratives and stories that we won't be able to enjoy ever again.

I pray you get some relief. x.x