Prof Caroline Mala Corbin
@carolinemalacorbin.bsky.social
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Constitutional law prof specializing in First Amendment, both speech & religion. Also repro Likes: art,science, feminism, LGBTQ rights, CRT, separation of church & state Things I've written: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=797431
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Very excited to have a new paper!!

Because the U.S. Supreme Court has essentially gutted the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Const, it is perhaps time to turn to the establishment provisions of the state constitutions to ensure some degree of separation of church and state

#ChristianNationalism
<p>New Judicial Federalism and the Establishment Clause: Classroom Ten Commandments as a Case Study in State Constitutional Protection</p>
<p><span>Louisiana recently enacted a law requiring a Ten Commandments display in every public school classroom from kindergarten to college. Forty-five years a
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Reposted by Prof Caroline Mala Corbin
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Hello!

I am your friendly neighborhood First Amendment professor here to provide some background on Chiles v. Salazar, to be argued in Supreme Court this morning.

At issue is whether Colorado can ban licensed therapists from inflicting the discredited practice of “conversion therapy” on minors
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"ADF cited several scholars to support its arg that conversion practices should once again be permitted. Two, however, [said] that ADF had “profoundly” misrepresented their research, which discussed the “psychological damage” of conversion therapy."

& SCOTUS will no doubt accept ADF's distortions
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SCOTUS has already previewed its argument to distinguish gender affirming care from conversion therapy:

Talk therapy alone (i.e. conversion therapy) protected by free speech

Therapy along with medicines (i.e. most gender affirming care) will be regulation of medicine with no special scrutiny
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Toad: I just listened to Supreme Court oral arguments
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Toad was sitting on his front porch. Frog came along and said, “What is the matter Toad? You are looking sad.”
A glum Toad sits on his front porch as a smiling Frog approaches.

From "The Letter"
In *Frog and Toad Are Friends*
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You shouldn't need a first amdt claim. A ban on gender affirming care should have triggered Equal Protection

Also, most gender affirming care requires more, so even if cannot ban discussion, if accept distinction bt talk only & talk plus, can ban puberty blockers & gender affirming hormone therapy
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I did not have room to write white Christian nationalists
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Cannot quite tell if you are being sarcastic or not
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The oral argument in Chiles v. Salazar, about whether Colorado can ban licensed therapists from subjecting minors to the discredited & harmful "conversion therapy" is done

You do not actually have to hear the arg to predict that the Christians will win.

I would love to be wrong, but
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Rebuttals now.

A twelve year could get gender affirming care w/o parent consent but could not get Chiles counseling w/ their parents consent.

Now giving fake science facts that I will not repeat

But basically trans panic

Citing Cass Review which has zillions of problems.
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Q: Why aren't you raising professional speech arg that was rejected in NIFLA

A: Our arg is much more narrow about medical care where have fiduciary duties & subject to malpractice
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Q: Why did not have opportunity to introduce more evidence?

A: Also, all the theories underlying success also debunked.

Q: Back to my question: If it went back?

A: New critique raised, we could answer it with studies
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Q Barrett: what is your best evidence that it causes harm

A: JA 64-74. We could have put it even more evidence. But our expert put in evidence all the studies, recent enough that did focus on talk therapy, that showed harm. Showed that long list harms.

No study showing it works. None. Zip. Zero.
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Q: Trying to make argument that medical consensus can be wrong, so we can ignore it here
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Q: Isn't that a reason to apply first amendment scrutiny?

A: No, bc if words delivering medical treatment, still delivering medical treatment.
Plus, lots of research
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A: Banning a practice that violates a standard of care dates to very early times

Q: Your argument depends heavily on standard of care, a medical consensus.

Has it ever been politicized.

A: Possibly
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Thomas: you rely on history of regulating medical profession. But what about history of regulating mental health profession?

Note: whether a history of a practice exists often depends on how you define the practice. Note the move that Thomas is making.
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Q: Isn't this viewpoint disc to allow to affirm one identity and not the other

A: yes, but some viewpoints are harmful and that is why medicine regulates them
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Q: What if patient comes to therapist saying that attracted to other men and wants to stop

A: Cannot counsel to become straight. Can help cope.

Q: Trying to get atty to interpret it in a way no one interprets it.

She won't
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A: No one has ever held that doctors had a first amendment right to give patients bad medical advice i.e. medical care that does not mean the accepted standard of care
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A: If multiple options all met the accepted standard of care then perhaps. But that is not the case.
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Q: What if different medical authorities have different views. There are competing strands.

EXCEPT THAT ALL REPUTABLE MEDICAL AUTHORITIES AGREE THAT GENDER AFFIRMING CARE IS GOOD AND CONVERSION THERAPY IS NOT.

Only uncertainty bc questionable science by those religiously opposed to LGBTQ
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Q: If medical uncertainty, then state can regulate talk therapy?
[Wants to ban gender affirming talk therapy]

A: That is not as established in the history
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Notably not highlighting that court has treated abortion counseling differently even if it too involves speech, but perhaps strategic decision not to bring up abortion to this excessively hostile-to-abortion court