Don’t want to know …

Then the govt should sort it, rather than put up with it! So bloody weak about everything

Yep and how they doing that , increasing taxes on people who can’t afford them. Then on Brexit .. it’s a disaster, it’s a major reason we can’t sort the economy ( their words) but oh it’s a red line for us ( party not country )

If u are that desperate… fine

I didn’t give a chronological order to my statement they had 14 years to plan and like all plans they change and are amended according to current issues, forces and marketplace.
So stop this in 2011 bollocks, they weren’t well prepared and their govt has suffered. Focus on getting right now

Surely it’s time to take the gloves off and deal with this media mess… they are guilty anyway. They just seem so weak

Yes they should have had better planning at appropriate times before. Maybe too busy cooking up strategies like winter fuel cuts …

And they wonder why people have no trust … seriously.

They did have 14 years in opposition… part of that like any good organisation is planning to have strategies, process and policy in place to handle issues to come. Not an “attack” stop the defensive mode, it’s a fact.
Anyway got better things to do now

Think u are picking arguments with the wrong people. I want them to succeed I’m just not blinkered to think they are currently doing a good enough job right now. But anyway u do u … it’ll probably help their demise

Yes they had 14 years in opposition and to plan ( mostly everything) if in government but the issues you raised including media hostility could have been focused on in latter years. Stop excuses them and start pushing them to get aggressive before they are back on the benches

No don’t give me this in 2015, how about in 21/22/23/24 … writing on wall they would face a negative media whatever they did

I don’t believe it but also don’t believe the govt ( Lisa Nandy) doesn’t get to grip with the problem on SM and bring in restrictions millions call for. Don’t tell me media will screen free speech, they will anyway and regardless

Whilst people like you keep making excuses, they won’t start getting their act together and addressing the bias. Sadly I can see them gone because of relying on excuses and not more aggressive action. Frankly I’d love to see them call out real fake news

The point is nothing they shouldn’t have expected in their 14 years preparing plus frankly everyone I speak to thinks they are just too weak in dealing with it now

All about the money …

Which side of Starmer red line does this fall on ?