I definitely agree. Some activities bring this stuff to the fore (yoga, gaming, skilled performance in general). I also think these things are more or less conscious rather than on/off, though

We do often find ourselves saying things like "yeah, that just felt (wrong/great) as I was doing it", etc., even if at that moment we can't articulate precisely why. And then we may go on to pull it apart.

I personally think all of this stuff is somewhere in that bracket. That's one reason I find the aesthetic feelings (where they do arise) interesting. They feel like a conscious window or marker onto complex processes that we manage better without too much burden of conscious control.

Maybe the whole mindful eating thing is this and this is just something we don't have names for. Maybe other cultures attend to the aesthetics of mastication.

I can't think of aesthetic sensations wrt your own action here though. Maybe tough guys get a feeling of power from their clean technique in biting through a thicc steak tho? Maybe I'm not thinking hard enough.
Otherwise, mouth feel & texture? Tho more about the (external, moments ago) morsel.

I don't want to say "kegels" but I guess I'm going to say "kegels"

I think definitely different but in interesting ways, and in some relevant ways similar.

It's a bit overlooked imo. Obviously relevant in gaming. More broadly, it feels relevant to understanding good/bad experiences of AI support in creative and skilled tasks.

Back picking at something I've been thinking about for years: characterising first-person experiences of skilled action in technology use, and the contribution to user experience.

I guess some track and field too, now that I think.
Puppetry is a super interesting case!

Yes, I'd forgotten Maxine Sheets-Johnstone, thanks. Kinaesthesia is definitely closer and definitely relevant.

I think there perhaps just isn't *one* term with the exact connotations. Maybe a few. I'm mostly working out how to find the research strands that would contribute to understanding this.

Yes dance for sure (though still you are shifting your position in the environment and altering your visual field).

But that's really interesting. Frames dance as (perhaps uniquely) about action without there being a external subject acted upon (at least directly). I hadn't thought of that before.

That's my bias too - Jelle Bruineberg's discussion of tendency towards optimal grip is kind of my background to thinking about this.
The only stuff I know is Shaun Gallagher's discussion of first person experience of expert sportspeople. But that's a fair way from empirical.

Yes, good point. I think that's definitely true in loads of cases. Musical instruments obviously so. There's some kind of merging of external and self-initiated bodily signals in the rightness.

Nice!

I need to read further, but the description of "motor awareness" here seems in the ballpark, maybe.

link.springer.com/article/10.1...

E.g., I think there is something like "this movement feels good/right/satisfying" during a skilful task (kicking a ball, bowing a string, plucking a note) that you can learn to discern over time. Is that just reducible to proprioception?

Kev: "you may think I'm cool and left field but I'm basically conservative."

I archive.is anything it works on, pay for The Economist, skip most of the rest. Economist is pretty global and I can hold my nose re their biases.