Santani Teng
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echodislocation.bsky.social
Santani Teng
@echodislocation.bsky.social
PI at Smith-Kettlewell; vision and non-vision science, plasticity, echolocation, sound, braille
https://www.ski.org/labs/teng-lab
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Thank you for the tag! We spend a lot of time thinking about these questions, so it's exciting whenever someone else asks them! (And they're far from a closed case I think, so I'd never claim to have the last word on the topic.)
December 23, 2025 at 7:48 PM
Very cool! Do you have an interpretation of *why* the unexpected words were more strongly predicted? Seems counterintuitive and different from stronger post-onset response to expectancy violation.
December 18, 2025 at 3:02 AM
Final thing: Trying something analogous with blind/blindfolded humans (echolocating an object, then identifying it by *touch*) shows that crossmodal information transfer is very hard and even humanity's finest echolocators struggle with it. But it's possible! Kind of.
doi.org/10.3389/fnin...
Frontiers | Object recognition via echoes: quantifying the crossmodal transfer of three-dimensional shape information between echolocation, vision, and haptics
Active echolocation allows blind individuals to explore their surroundings via self-generated sounds, similarly to dolphins and other echolocating animals. E...
doi.org
December 14, 2025 at 4:11 AM
But some cool papers suggest that *dolphins* can reliably match a visually learned object to its echo and vice versa. (The key in these and the bat expts is first-presentation recognition, vs. learning an arbitrary visual-echo pairing via repetition.)
doi.org/10.1038/natu...
doi.org/10.1121/1.41...
Bottlenose dolphins perceive object features through echolocation - Nature
Nature - Bottlenose dolphins perceive object features through echolocation
doi.org
December 14, 2025 at 4:11 AM
E.g.: fruit bats can learn to tell objects apart using echolocation & transfer the learning to vision. But 1) visual➡️echo transfer doesn't work, and 2) echo➡️vision learning/transfer suck unless it's totally dark, suggesting reliance on vision rather than integration w/echoes. doi.org/10.1126/scia...
Integrating vision and echolocation for navigation and perception in bats
Egyptian fruit bats integrate vision and echolocation in a task-dependent manner.
doi.org
December 14, 2025 at 3:58 AM
To get at @pedroblack42.bsky.social's question, you can test this by having a bat learn object shapes with vision, echolocation, or both (ie in a dark vs light room, and/or with hard vs foam-covered objects.) Then test the recognition in a non-trained modality.
bsky.app/profile/pedr...
I remember reading about bats' echolocation and how they "see" with it. Do you think that they create a similar reality in their brains with sound as we do with light? If so, how could we know?
December 14, 2025 at 3:58 AM
I work with humans, so am kind of a spectator to animal echolocation myself, but it must depend on how you define "generating an image." Are echoes converted to specifically *visual* imagery? Or do they produce an abstracted mental representation that is also accessible to the bat's visual system?
I remember reading about bats' echolocation and how they "see" with it. Do you think that they create a similar reality in their brains with sound as we do with light? If so, how could we know?
December 14, 2025 at 3:58 AM
Enjoyed seeing the infancy of EEG expressed in the opening paragraph. "It is now eight years since Berger (1929) first put forward the claim to have led off from the human skull potentials of cerebral origin." 👶
November 12, 2025 at 9:15 PM
Thanks tweety! Can confirm: He is, and Somebody will.
November 8, 2025 at 1:18 AM