I am sure the mass surveillance bit would be thanks to Palantir.

Labour is currently busy handing Palantir our NHS data

The 'Piss dribbles down my legs when I see a Camo uniform' crowd has some very informed and good faith opinions about some of the most complicated and sensitive security issues, you can rest assured

Funny to see them be stupid, disturbing to once again understand their corollary is 'its okay to be executed like this after being disarmed if you're a leftist'

Anyone interested in how a culture of lawlessness spread into elite American special forces units whose vets have been drawn into Bortac and other DHS unit recruitment pools should read Matthieu Atkins's work for the New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/m...

Treat the US government and ICE claims like you'd treat a Russian government claim after they've shot down an airliner or bombed a hospital. America 2026.

Sarcasm!!!

you don't understand, Canadians and their liberal PM aren't allowed to discourse on this on their own terms in their own time. When you imagine ICE patrolling Alberta and feel candid fear, the most important thing to remember, really, is that you're actually just sort of American. Focus on that

I, for instance, am not going to attack you because joe biden consciously chose to divert laser guided bombs from russian targets in occupied ukraine to babies' heads in gaza. If i did in turn you could point out how my government played along with that to. It wouldn't end

I'd be obliged to take offense at this if we were still proceeding from the assumption that we are all totemically responsible and accountable for the actions of the governments we hate and didn't vote for; the entire point of this discussion is how dumb that is

For sure, sorry, just thinking out loud in the context of the whole thread

If we want to kick the yanks out, and still have a european alliance, we are going to incur the costs of replacing their equipment and manpower in either scenario, NATO - US or a whole new thing. But given the above, current proposals feel a bit 'baby out with the bathwater'. Do y'know what I mean?

That ministry is, contrary to what many seem to think, primarily staffed, funded, built by and located in Europe, not the USA. *hundreds* of bodies, agencies, buildings. It is explicitly designed to be compatible and harmonised with a rotating series of troops from *all* member militaries.

....But having worked in/for some of these orgs I don't know where people are getting the idea that if, say, the US military in Europe left tomorrow, NATO would 'collapse' or die. It's not an army - think of it more like a continental Ministry of Defense, separate from the army itself.

There's some big misconceptions about what NATO is in everyday practical realities as an institution/organizational structure though. What matters to me is collective defense for Europe, without the US...