Marc Veldhoen
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Professor of Immunology 🇳🇱 🇬🇧 Lisbon, 🇵🇹 #Immunology Time for Science, not silence https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=7vG1jLIAAAAJ&hl=en https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1478-9562 threads.net/@marc_veld mastodon.online/@marc_veld
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This account is on anti-science, COVID-19 denial, Long COVID denial, etc., blocklists. All fine, but I'm also running an automated block program. Some unblock me only to find they’re already blocked.

A reminder: be cautious with blocklists.

Unlike X, once blocked = blocked.
Postbox filled with mail, and the forbidden sign behind it.
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Accounts like "James Throt", Harry Spoelstra, Antony Leonardi, the whole of the WHN, etc are shamefully exploiting the lack of knowledge and context to scare people, to put themselves in the limelight. They should be aware of how much damage they do to science and society.
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Or would an inflammatory response be able to reawaken latent viruses such as herpes and papillomaviruses?

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No. The paper clearly states HPV-induced cancer.

SARS-COV-2 does not cause "immune damage/suppression/dysfunction/exhaustion. An infection can reawaking a herpes or papillomavirus.
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I emphasise can, this is a much abused word, since many things can, but they often do not happen, increasing the risk of HPV-induced cancer.

There are many problems with this low-impact paper, such as bad methods. But even so, would immune suppression be the likely cause?
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The post cites comes from an unreliable source, frequently making unsubstantiated claims. The paper does not contain any assessment of immunity or immune damage or suppression. It, not very well, makes a claim that if you are HPV infected, additional COVID-19 infection can
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To then finish was another classic; using a bad paper that does not substantiate your claims at all, to pretend to substantiate them. This is accompanied by fake laughter, since there is nothing to laugh about. This is very sad.
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The inability to substantiate claims always end up in personal attacks, "james" is no exception. Including the lie the post in response to his/her nonsense was deleted. "James" is looking at the wrong thing and doesn´t really understand.

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Well, repeating wrong claims makes the claims still wrong, without the required nuance and context.
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Well.... indeed, "James" has not provided any data. He/She talks a lot, but never delivers on providing solid data. If what you claim is against decades of knowledge and you claim the opposite of what you can observe around you, you need to provide the substantiation.
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Hence, vaccination, to ensure a rapid immune activation and pathogen clearance, is important. It can prevent damage to the heart and brain from inflammation, from influenza, chickenpox, to SV2

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With the viral season upon us, the debate over vaccination will flare up again.

It remains strange to watch: the advantages are many, well established, and increasingly better supported by evidence, including benefits against non-communicable diseases.
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Of course, headlines of COVID and brain (damage, intelligence, etc) are great to draw in readers. The reality is much more subtle, temporal, and is followed by recovery. The same was observed during the 1918-1920 flu pandemic. We did not all get brain damage.
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Cytokines also affect the brain; some structures can be altered, thickened, etc. Don´t mistake that for damage. Some of these processes and molecules can also be found in some diseases, but their correlation does not mean that COVID patients have or get that disease.
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However, the word is easily used in the press and in press releases. It is confusing and alarming for many.

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The post below is important. It shows how difficult it is to put literature into context, how titles and media headlines can lead you to misunderstand, how others can convince you, because paper, published, peer-reviewed, etc.

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What about brain damage? There are no convincing reports, but for those already suffering from severe disease (e.g. case studies with AD patients), or tests where people during the acute or recovery phase performed a little less well. That is not damage.
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Of course, like any disease, such as an infection, it can contribute to worsening or enhance underlying conditions that are already present. If your immune system is very weak, OC43 can kill you. If you have a weak heart, Influenza can kill you. SARS-CoV-2 similarly.
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"James" easily claims. This is the same principle again. Now claiming SARS-CoV-2 impairs immune memory.... well, if that were the case, we all have opportunistic infections, we would all have severe influenza, RSV, COVID-19, etc. The real-world evidence shows it is wrong.
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Now, you see the issue? This is just one loose claim, plonked into a post, and I am on post 19 to explain the context and knowledge.

Lies are quick and easy; the truth, facts, and context need explanation and time.
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There can be lymphopenia. It can happen when people undergo heavy inflammatory responses, such as during sepsis, a heavy reaction to influenza, or SARS-CoV-2, or from trauma. This is well-known on ICU wards and not SC2-specific.

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Persistent lymphopenia is a risk factor for ICU-acquired infections and for death in ICU patients with sustained hypotension at admission - Annals of Intensive Care
Background Severely ill patients might develop an alteration of their immune system called post-aggressive immunosuppression. We sought to assess the risk of ICU-acquired infection and of mortality according to the absolute lymphocyte count at ICU admission and its changes over 3 days. Methods Adults in ICU for at least 3 days with a shock or persistent low blood pressure were extracted from a French ICU database and included. We evaluated the impact of the absolute lymphocyte count at baseline and its change at day 3 on the incidence of ICU-acquired infection and on the 28-day mortality rate. We categorized lymphocytes in 4 groups: above 1.5 × 103 cells/µL; between 1 and 1.5 × 103 cells/µL; between 0.5 and 1 × 103 cells/µL; and below 0.5 × 103 cells/µL. Results A total of 753 patients were included. The median lymphocyte count was 0.8 × 103 cells/µL [0.51–1.29]. A total of 174 (23%) patients developed infections; the 28-day mortality rate was 21% (161/753). Lymphopenia at admission was associated with ICU-acquired infection (p < 0.001) but not with 28-day mortality. Independently of baseline lymphocyte count, the absence of lymphocyte count increase at day 3 was associated with ICU-acquired infection (sub-distribution hazard ratio sHR: 1.37 [1.12–1.67], p = 0.002) and with 28-day mortality (sHR: 1.67 [1.37–2.03], p < 0.0001). Conclusion Lymphopenia at ICU admission and its persistence at day 3 were associated with an increased risk of ICU-acquired infection, while only persisting lymphopenia predicted increased 28-day mortality. The lymphocyte count at ICU admission and at day 3 could be used as a simple and reproductive marker of post-aggressive immunosuppression.
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Many markers also change; remember, there is an infection: you will generate more effector and memory T cells, and have fewer circulating naive T cells. This is all a physiological response to infection., Of course, some pretend this is scary.

All this is textbook stuff.
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Many papers look at lymphocyte proportions. This only shows the % of lymphocytes (e.g. B and T cells) within all the cells present. Cell numbers and composition change upon inflammation, and hence % change. That is very different from cell numbers.
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That is the thing, it is only an impression. The T cells in the blood are about 2% of all the T cells. Many papers have shown that if this occurs, it is during a very short time, and numbers return to normal quickly.
Other considerations are confusing for many.
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What about lymphopenia? There were initially some stories about this. Indeed, lymphopenia can be observed sometimes. This is not the norm. What happens?

During acute infection, many T cells are in organs, which may give the impression in blood samples that there are fewer.
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in patients with more chronic infection or in those with more long-term activity (LongCOVID) with markers of "exhaustion". But these are SC2-specific and a small proportion. These are nothing to worry about; they don´t prevent your immune system from responding at all.