About the only thing George was good for was a housing development that should’ve been a cemetery, and now because George Bailey exists the town has no place to bury their loved ones when they die.
Bah humbug!
(and Merry Christmas! this thread is purely for kicks!)
Bah humbug!
(and Merry Christmas! this thread is purely for kicks!)
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
About the only thing George was good for was a housing development that should’ve been a cemetery, and now because George Bailey exists the town has no place to bury their loved ones when they die.
Bah humbug!
(and Merry Christmas! this thread is purely for kicks!)
Bah humbug!
(and Merry Christmas! this thread is purely for kicks!)
Unlike his son George who likes to sled too close to the thin ice, Peter is responsible and would’ve known to never let that drunkard Billy handle all that cash.
If George doesn’t exist, then the town is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then the town is safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
Unlike his son George who likes to sled too close to the thin ice, Peter is responsible and would’ve known to never let that drunkard Billy handle all that cash.
If George doesn’t exist, then the town is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then the town is safe.
7. The town would have come to the aid of Peter Bailey just as they did George had a similar circumstance arisen like Uncle Billy giving Potter $8,000. In fact, that situation would have never happened under Peter’s tenure.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
7. The town would have come to the aid of Peter Bailey just as they did George had a similar circumstance arisen like Uncle Billy giving Potter $8,000. In fact, that situation would have never happened under Peter’s tenure.
And even if Mary never marries, there’s literally nothing wrong with a life devoted to the library of all things. The library is a wonderful public service and I’d say a life devoted to that is a life well lived.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mary is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mary is safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
And even if Mary never marries, there’s literally nothing wrong with a life devoted to the library of all things. The library is a wonderful public service and I’d say a life devoted to that is a life well lived.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mary is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mary is safe.
Sam knew that Mary was obsessed (as anyone with eyes knew) and that’s why he played around on her, but otherwise we see that Sam is a pretty smart and good guy. He’s able to create a booming business and we know his character is good by his donation of $25,000 at the end of the film.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
Sam knew that Mary was obsessed (as anyone with eyes knew) and that’s why he played around on her, but otherwise we see that Sam is a pretty smart and good guy. He’s able to create a booming business and we know his character is good by his donation of $25,000 at the end of the film.
I’d say that wasn’t fair to Sam’s feelings but he already knows Mary’s game which is why he has a side fling of his own.
I believe that if George hadn’t existed, then Mary wouldn’t have been so narrow focused on one man her entire life and could’ve made it work with Sam.
I believe that if George hadn’t existed, then Mary wouldn’t have been so narrow focused on one man her entire life and could’ve made it work with Sam.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
I’d say that wasn’t fair to Sam’s feelings but he already knows Mary’s game which is why he has a side fling of his own.
I believe that if George hadn’t existed, then Mary wouldn’t have been so narrow focused on one man her entire life and could’ve made it work with Sam.
I believe that if George hadn’t existed, then Mary wouldn’t have been so narrow focused on one man her entire life and could’ve made it work with Sam.
To the point of calling her fellow 10 year old classmate a whore for liking the same boy, rudely flaking on a date with her suitor Freddie MID DATE to go out with George instead, and later, she would attempt to make George jealous by being overly enthused with Sam Wainwright on the phone.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
To the point of calling her fellow 10 year old classmate a whore for liking the same boy, rudely flaking on a date with her suitor Freddie MID DATE to go out with George instead, and later, she would attempt to make George jealous by being overly enthused with Sam Wainwright on the phone.
6. Mary Hatch would not have been an old maid.
I maintain that Mary had a somewhat unhealthy obsession with George starting at a very young age.
I maintain that Mary had a somewhat unhealthy obsession with George starting at a very young age.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
6. Mary Hatch would not have been an old maid.
I maintain that Mary had a somewhat unhealthy obsession with George starting at a very young age.
I maintain that Mary had a somewhat unhealthy obsession with George starting at a very young age.
If George doesn’t exist, then a good teacher doesn’t get savagely insulted on Christmas Eve and her husband is still allowed to drink at the establishment he prefers.
They are safe.
They are safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
If George doesn’t exist, then a good teacher doesn’t get savagely insulted on Christmas Eve and her husband is still allowed to drink at the establishment he prefers.
They are safe.
They are safe.
5. Mr. Welch wouldn’t be banned from the local bar.
George says some rather hateful things to his children’s school teacher, Mrs. Welch.
Later on, Mr. Welch rightfully stands up for his wife and pops George in the mouth. He is then forever banned from his local bar.
George says some rather hateful things to his children’s school teacher, Mrs. Welch.
Later on, Mr. Welch rightfully stands up for his wife and pops George in the mouth. He is then forever banned from his local bar.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
5. Mr. Welch wouldn’t be banned from the local bar.
George says some rather hateful things to his children’s school teacher, Mrs. Welch.
Later on, Mr. Welch rightfully stands up for his wife and pops George in the mouth. He is then forever banned from his local bar.
George says some rather hateful things to his children’s school teacher, Mrs. Welch.
Later on, Mr. Welch rightfully stands up for his wife and pops George in the mouth. He is then forever banned from his local bar.
I’m actually sad for Ernie, that by the end of the film, he’ll never know that the woman he loves would have dropped him had he not been able to afford a house.
If George doesn’t exist, it’s possible that Ernie surrounds himself with better people and doesn’t marry a gold digger.
If George doesn’t exist, it’s possible that Ernie surrounds himself with better people and doesn’t marry a gold digger.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
I’m actually sad for Ernie, that by the end of the film, he’ll never know that the woman he loves would have dropped him had he not been able to afford a house.
If George doesn’t exist, it’s possible that Ernie surrounds himself with better people and doesn’t marry a gold digger.
If George doesn’t exist, it’s possible that Ernie surrounds himself with better people and doesn’t marry a gold digger.
One such person who “benefited” from Bailey Park was George’s pal Ernie and his wife and kid. However, in the Pottersville timeline, we learn that Ernie’s wife ran away with the kid because Ernie was too poor.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
One such person who “benefited” from Bailey Park was George’s pal Ernie and his wife and kid. However, in the Pottersville timeline, we learn that Ernie’s wife ran away with the kid because Ernie was too poor.
4. Ernie would’ve never found out his wife was only in it for the money.
Sure, one saving grace of George Bailey is that he created Bailey Park to help the good folk of Bedford Falls avoid Potter’s slums. But what happens when you examine the details here?
Sure, one saving grace of George Bailey is that he created Bailey Park to help the good folk of Bedford Falls avoid Potter’s slums. But what happens when you examine the details here?
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
4. Ernie would’ve never found out his wife was only in it for the money.
Sure, one saving grace of George Bailey is that he created Bailey Park to help the good folk of Bedford Falls avoid Potter’s slums. But what happens when you examine the details here?
Sure, one saving grace of George Bailey is that he created Bailey Park to help the good folk of Bedford Falls avoid Potter’s slums. But what happens when you examine the details here?
When the run on the bank happens, Peter and Irene simply use their savings just as George and Mary did. And Peter/Irene would have a lot of extra money considering they didn’t have to pay for George’s entire existence.
If George doesn’t exist, then Peter Bailey is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Peter Bailey is safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
When the run on the bank happens, Peter and Irene simply use their savings just as George and Mary did. And Peter/Irene would have a lot of extra money considering they didn’t have to pay for George’s entire existence.
If George doesn’t exist, then Peter Bailey is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Peter Bailey is safe.
The fight left Peter Bailey that day, and the reason was his son George.
Without George around, Peter himself lives on and continues the fight against Potter.
Without George around, Peter himself lives on and continues the fight against Potter.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
The fight left Peter Bailey that day, and the reason was his son George.
Without George around, Peter himself lives on and continues the fight against Potter.
Without George around, Peter himself lives on and continues the fight against Potter.
I think Peter would have lived had he not been badmouthed by a loved one as a response to asking for help. The stress of having to deal with Potter and his schemes, and then you come up with the courage to ask a loved one to fight the good fight, and they say “Nah that sounds like it would suck.”
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
I think Peter would have lived had he not been badmouthed by a loved one as a response to asking for help. The stress of having to deal with Potter and his schemes, and then you come up with the courage to ask a loved one to fight the good fight, and they say “Nah that sounds like it would suck.”
However, then he goes on to berate the profession that his stand up father has done his entire life. Sure, he apologizes after, but the damage has been done.
A mere few hours after this Peter would have a heart attack and pass away. Coincidence? I think not.
A mere few hours after this Peter would have a heart attack and pass away. Coincidence? I think not.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
However, then he goes on to berate the profession that his stand up father has done his entire life. Sure, he apologizes after, but the damage has been done.
A mere few hours after this Peter would have a heart attack and pass away. Coincidence? I think not.
A mere few hours after this Peter would have a heart attack and pass away. Coincidence? I think not.
Peter sheepishly asks George if he would consider staying on at the Building and Loan. Peter knows he shouldn’t ask but probably also wants help contending with the likes of Potter.
George says “NO!” which is fine by itself
George says “NO!” which is fine by itself
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
Peter sheepishly asks George if he would consider staying on at the Building and Loan. Peter knows he shouldn’t ask but probably also wants help contending with the likes of Potter.
George says “NO!” which is fine by itself
George says “NO!” which is fine by itself
3. Peter Bailey lives many more years as a result of his son, George, not existing.
The very last conversation between Peter Bailey and his ungrateful son is excruciating to watch.
The very last conversation between Peter Bailey and his ungrateful son is excruciating to watch.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
3. Peter Bailey lives many more years as a result of his son, George, not existing.
The very last conversation between Peter Bailey and his ungrateful son is excruciating to watch.
The very last conversation between Peter Bailey and his ungrateful son is excruciating to watch.
Had Mr. Gower simply hired an employee who showed up to work on time, then he wouldn’t have been rushed and would’ve poisoned no one.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mr. Gower is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mr. Gower is safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
Had Mr. Gower simply hired an employee who showed up to work on time, then he wouldn’t have been rushed and would’ve poisoned no one.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mr. Gower is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, then Mr. Gower is safe.
People forget that when George shows up for work that day, Mr. Gower is pissed and calls him out “You’re late!”
So Mr. Gower had to rush around and open the store all by himself and tend to customers and fill prescriptions all while dealing with the death of his son.
So Mr. Gower had to rush around and open the store all by himself and tend to customers and fill prescriptions all while dealing with the death of his son.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
People forget that when George shows up for work that day, Mr. Gower is pissed and calls him out “You’re late!”
So Mr. Gower had to rush around and open the store all by himself and tend to customers and fill prescriptions all while dealing with the death of his son.
So Mr. Gower had to rush around and open the store all by himself and tend to customers and fill prescriptions all while dealing with the death of his son.
2. Mr. Gower never poisons anyone because he hires a pharmacy assistant who knows how to get to work on time.
People think that Mr. Gower almost poisoned a customer because of the distraught state he was in as a result of his son dying.
I call bologna.
People think that Mr. Gower almost poisoned a customer because of the distraught state he was in as a result of his son dying.
I call bologna.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
2. Mr. Gower never poisons anyone because he hires a pharmacy assistant who knows how to get to work on time.
People think that Mr. Gower almost poisoned a customer because of the distraught state he was in as a result of his son dying.
I call bologna.
People think that Mr. Gower almost poisoned a customer because of the distraught state he was in as a result of his son dying.
I call bologna.
So if George doesn’t exist, Harry never even goes there. He’s either chillin’ with mom or as an only child, learned to find his own friends. And if he did go, didn’t have a daring, adventurous leader like George Bailey and probably played somewhere safer.
If George doesn’t exist, Harry is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, Harry is safe.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
So if George doesn’t exist, Harry never even goes there. He’s either chillin’ with mom or as an only child, learned to find his own friends. And if he did go, didn’t have a daring, adventurous leader like George Bailey and probably played somewhere safer.
If George doesn’t exist, Harry is safe.
If George doesn’t exist, Harry is safe.
Why was Harry even sledding on the ice in the first place?
I posit that it was George and his friends who decided on that activity, and Harry simply tagged along for the ride. Furthermore, it was probably George himself who insisted on being near the thin ice as he is overly confident in himself.
I posit that it was George and his friends who decided on that activity, and Harry simply tagged along for the ride. Furthermore, it was probably George himself who insisted on being near the thin ice as he is overly confident in himself.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
Why was Harry even sledding on the ice in the first place?
I posit that it was George and his friends who decided on that activity, and Harry simply tagged along for the ride. Furthermore, it was probably George himself who insisted on being near the thin ice as he is overly confident in himself.
I posit that it was George and his friends who decided on that activity, and Harry simply tagged along for the ride. Furthermore, it was probably George himself who insisted on being near the thin ice as he is overly confident in himself.
1. Harry Bailey never falls through the ice and never dies.
We see George as a kid, and he is overly confident as we see when telling Mary about all the skyscrapers he’ll build and the four wives he’ll have. No doubt he is a leader among his peers.
We see George as a kid, and he is overly confident as we see when telling Mary about all the skyscrapers he’ll build and the four wives he’ll have. No doubt he is a leader among his peers.
December 25, 2025 at 1:50 PM
1. Harry Bailey never falls through the ice and never dies.
We see George as a kid, and he is overly confident as we see when telling Mary about all the skyscrapers he’ll build and the four wives he’ll have. No doubt he is a leader among his peers.
We see George as a kid, and he is overly confident as we see when telling Mary about all the skyscrapers he’ll build and the four wives he’ll have. No doubt he is a leader among his peers.