Right, I'm not trying to step on people's optimism, but it's hard for me to share it. If anything, I think "abolish ICE" is a *much* easier sell than "abolish police," given that it's only been around for a few decades, so why *not* start there?

The exact example that came to mind. There are plenty of police and prison abolitionists who have put together very compelling arguments that if your starting point is "reform," you're already conceding that the org/institution should exist in the first place, and are thus on the back foot already.

this book is good, is what I'm saying www.dukeupress.edu/freedom-with...

Heyyyy congrats!

This whole thing really demonstrates how many people see the end goal of a political campaign as "help a specific candidate win a specific election" as opposed to as part of a broader project of movement-building: building community relationships, getting constituent buy-in, empowering people, etc.