Nate The Prole
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Thank you for sharing that - I've had some very bad conversations lately too - some of which I have to take the blame for (not giving enough attention, being impatient) - I've found our exchange interesting and do think it is important to question my assumptions and value others insights
November 14, 2025 at 7:04 PM
Thank you for sharing that - I've had some very bad conversations lately too - some of which I have to take the blame for (not giving enough attention, being impatient) - I've found our exchange interesting and do think it is important to question my assumptions and value others insights
I wasn't the one who made a remark about child rape & accused anarchists of countenancing it
November 14, 2025 at 6:38 PM
I wasn't the one who made a remark about child rape & accused anarchists of countenancing it
I agree that Leninism has led to a lot of state power and some beneficial outcomes & against capitalist state power it seems like a powerful counterbalancing force. If I was convinced that kind of power could achieve communism and a sustainable world I'd be backing it too.
November 14, 2025 at 6:34 PM
I agree that Leninism has led to a lot of state power and some beneficial outcomes & against capitalist state power it seems like a powerful counterbalancing force. If I was convinced that kind of power could achieve communism and a sustainable world I'd be backing it too.
If you think Anarchists countenance child rape or that this is an outcome of it then I have to question your understanding
November 14, 2025 at 6:30 PM
If you think Anarchists countenance child rape or that this is an outcome of it then I have to question your understanding
Yes, I agree, it is very intimidating and often may seem insurmountable - I guess I'm pretty stubbornly hopeful that they will mess up enough for us to rally a great number of additional people to work / fight to undermine and ultimately remove their power - but there are precedents
November 14, 2025 at 5:58 PM
Yes, I agree, it is very intimidating and often may seem insurmountable - I guess I'm pretty stubbornly hopeful that they will mess up enough for us to rally a great number of additional people to work / fight to undermine and ultimately remove their power - but there are precedents
And being of British cultural origins I do not think peanut butter and 'jelly' go together at all ;-)
November 14, 2025 at 5:49 PM
And being of British cultural origins I do not think peanut butter and 'jelly' go together at all ;-)
You are thinking of right-wing propertarians who sometimes miscall themselves 'libertarians' - Anarchism has a long feminist tradition directly against such presumptions.
November 14, 2025 at 5:48 PM
You are thinking of right-wing propertarians who sometimes miscall themselves 'libertarians' - Anarchism has a long feminist tradition directly against such presumptions.
I agree that in order to speak to a Marxist constructively I need to understand certain concepts and how they use certain words.
But are you claiming that to understand whether Anarchism is true / right / good (possible, preferable, beneficial, ethical) that I need to understand Marxism?
But are you claiming that to understand whether Anarchism is true / right / good (possible, preferable, beneficial, ethical) that I need to understand Marxism?
November 14, 2025 at 5:46 PM
I agree that in order to speak to a Marxist constructively I need to understand certain concepts and how they use certain words.
But are you claiming that to understand whether Anarchism is true / right / good (possible, preferable, beneficial, ethical) that I need to understand Marxism?
But are you claiming that to understand whether Anarchism is true / right / good (possible, preferable, beneficial, ethical) that I need to understand Marxism?
But really interesting work has been done in cybernetics etc on how such decentralised networks of production and distribution can work effectively with technology that address many of the older economic objections
November 14, 2025 at 5:38 PM
But really interesting work has been done in cybernetics etc on how such decentralised networks of production and distribution can work effectively with technology that address many of the older economic objections
A point Graeber brings out in Dawn Of Everything - it has previously been assumed that pre-historic trade was very localised and yet we have since found (non perishable) goods travelling thousands of miles across complex networks …
November 14, 2025 at 5:36 PM
A point Graeber brings out in Dawn Of Everything - it has previously been assumed that pre-historic trade was very localised and yet we have since found (non perishable) goods travelling thousands of miles across complex networks …
In some ways yes - in some ways no - the past does show what people are capable of and what is possible - but the setting is definitely different - the thing is that for Indus to have worked it would have been more socially involved & complex tha typical modern societies …
November 14, 2025 at 5:36 PM
In some ways yes - in some ways no - the past does show what people are capable of and what is possible - but the setting is definitely different - the thing is that for Indus to have worked it would have been more socially involved & complex tha typical modern societies …
But if you say it relates to transitional states I'll take your word for it and make some notes
November 14, 2025 at 5:06 PM
But if you say it relates to transitional states I'll take your word for it and make some notes
The thing about Surplus value is that it is just Adam Smith & David Ricardo with more implications - Marx didn't come up with the theory (as I point out to defend Marx to pro-capitalists who try to criticise it) - he did a great job showing its implications for coercion and exploitation though ...
November 14, 2025 at 5:06 PM
The thing about Surplus value is that it is just Adam Smith & David Ricardo with more implications - Marx didn't come up with the theory (as I point out to defend Marx to pro-capitalists who try to criticise it) - he did a great job showing its implications for coercion and exploitation though ...
Its neat to go back to some smaller roles earlier in Capaldi's career and see him popping up in interesting places - but the writer of that show is a great satirist - love a lot of his other work - I've been meaning to take his masterclass
November 14, 2025 at 4:58 PM
Its neat to go back to some smaller roles earlier in Capaldi's career and see him popping up in interesting places - but the writer of that show is a great satirist - love a lot of his other work - I've been meaning to take his masterclass
I must say I do like your Malcolm Tucker image - great show, great actor, great part & all too true to British politics during the Blair / Campbell era - I also thought Capaldi made a great Doctor Who when the scripts were good enough for him
November 14, 2025 at 4:53 PM
I must say I do like your Malcolm Tucker image - great show, great actor, great part & all too true to British politics during the Blair / Campbell era - I also thought Capaldi made a great Doctor Who when the scripts were good enough for him
I imagine on economics I wouldn't find much to disagree with Marx on - this is where I recall always finding Marx strongest - on his economic analysis of the capitalist world - so maybe it'll be best for me to start with Mao & then the Dialectic article you recommended
November 14, 2025 at 4:47 PM
I imagine on economics I wouldn't find much to disagree with Marx on - this is where I recall always finding Marx strongest - on his economic analysis of the capitalist world - so maybe it'll be best for me to start with Mao & then the Dialectic article you recommended
Yep - perfectly complies with what I said - if someones philosophical framework says the world is flat and I sail around it and discover its a globe then that is sufficiently factual for me - understanding their framework won't change my opinion - but I might help in speaking to them
November 14, 2025 at 4:33 PM
Yep - perfectly complies with what I said - if someones philosophical framework says the world is flat and I sail around it and discover its a globe then that is sufficiently factual for me - understanding their framework won't change my opinion - but I might help in speaking to them
Nope I didn’t say that - I did imply you don’t (for example) need a degree in Catholicism to reject the veracity of a faith claim - because you might find it logically or scientifically erroneous - likewise with less religious claims
November 14, 2025 at 4:25 PM
Nope I didn’t say that - I did imply you don’t (for example) need a degree in Catholicism to reject the veracity of a faith claim - because you might find it logically or scientifically erroneous - likewise with less religious claims
That is fair if I am going out of my way to critique another’s belief system - that wasn’t my intention at the start - just to give a different view - but I did end up getting into the weeds & wish I’d clarified some things sooner, although felt misunderstood too - so vagaries all around it seems
November 14, 2025 at 4:21 PM
That is fair if I am going out of my way to critique another’s belief system - that wasn’t my intention at the start - just to give a different view - but I did end up getting into the weeds & wish I’d clarified some things sooner, although felt misunderstood too - so vagaries all around it seems
Well my friends fortunately seem to think me worth engaging in long conversations with - but they are much more academic so maybe they’re making up for my inadequacies or just humouring me ;-)
November 14, 2025 at 4:13 PM
Well my friends fortunately seem to think me worth engaging in long conversations with - but they are much more academic so maybe they’re making up for my inadequacies or just humouring me ;-)
Nope - that’s what we have now - just with more bells and whistles
November 14, 2025 at 3:54 PM
Nope - that’s what we have now - just with more bells and whistles
Do Marxists believe in having a state (even if it is a transitionary one) - if so then I know one thing they believe I disagree with & so on - this is how this all started - someone said something - I said I don't agree - I don't have to study theology to disagree with Catholic transubstantiation
November 14, 2025 at 3:44 PM
Do Marxists believe in having a state (even if it is a transitionary one) - if so then I know one thing they believe I disagree with & so on - this is how this all started - someone said something - I said I don't agree - I don't have to study theology to disagree with Catholic transubstantiation
I'm afraid so - the Kurds are sadly used to this pattern though and still relentlessly survive through it - I wish it weren't so and still hope it might not be so
November 14, 2025 at 3:40 PM
I'm afraid so - the Kurds are sadly used to this pattern though and still relentlessly survive through it - I wish it weren't so and still hope it might not be so
Well perhaps you have been trying to teach me to have a conversation in such a short form with multiple people at the same time - an almost insurmountable task it seems - I think it a largely frustrating exercise that leads to more frustration than progress - whereas in person I fancy we'd do better
November 14, 2025 at 3:39 PM
Well perhaps you have been trying to teach me to have a conversation in such a short form with multiple people at the same time - an almost insurmountable task it seems - I think it a largely frustrating exercise that leads to more frustration than progress - whereas in person I fancy we'd do better
I'll happily read something short - I've read a lot of Marxist literature - mostly from Marx, Engels and Lenin, but much of it was almost a decade ago
November 14, 2025 at 3:37 PM
I'll happily read something short - I've read a lot of Marxist literature - mostly from Marx, Engels and Lenin, but much of it was almost a decade ago