Mainly active at https://www.psybertron.org/ and https://twitter.com/psybertron
If you're looking for an "argument" I have rules.
http://psybertron.org/rules-of-rhetorical-engagement
3 strikes and you're out.
All roads here lead to better democracy - better "self-governance", (the original point of Cybernetics itself, not to mention the ancient Greeks) - even though I'm keeping my personal focus at its higher levels of abstraction, to the point of being metaphysical. And "self"…