(not meant to be snarky or rhetorical, I genuinely appreciate your responses, it's good stuff and I'm worried I'm coming off as more gruff/sassy than I intend to)

So then how do I get them to take the next step given that they've already gotten pretty close?

Censorship isn’t just about the transmission of ideas; in prisons it’s about any human connection at all, distancing incarcerated people from loved ones as much as possible.

Mile 32 on Long Island, land of no hills. Basically the entire thing is flat.

I wouldn't even DRIVE 125 miles without at least stretching first

As someone who has done exactly this regularly for years, you can lead folks to water, but you can't make them drink. This is just how you get called an "agent provocateur."

We're deep into American fascism. Folks either want to revolt or they don't. I can't control them, and wouldn't if I could.

I'll believe it when I see it

Well, some of them are, no one said they weren't. But, also ICE only has about 20K employees, and not all of those are field agents.

Also, many J6 attendees could have worked for ICE before they went there, and certainly could have gotten jobs at ICE afterwards. This is all a "yes, and" situation

But also ICE agents and cops are non-secretly J6 rioters. Two local police from my town were at J6. Bruce Wayne is also Batman

Like, I don't mean to be unpleasant. But they have been operating a "Civilian Outreach Program" since 2019, the goal of which has explicitly and openly been to get masked dudes in pickup trucks to kidnap random people. It would be a conspiracy theory to NOT believe this.

"Participants learn about HSI’s authorities and offices, experience HSI operations, learn how we serve, and learn how to partner with us to improve the safety and security of our local communities."

This is just a fancy way of saying "Participants become a masked bro in a pickup truck."

ICE deported far more people under Obama and Biden than they did under Bush and Trump so there's certainly evidence that they do function "better" under Democratic Presidents. Unfortunately, better functioning at their evil mission is bad, and they should be shut down.

Nah. 65% of Americans supported burning down the east precinct in Minneapolis. Most people in this country also support UHC and legal weed. Americans as they actually exist are reasonably progressive, we just have a really really really really really really corrupt government/electoral system.

Evidence on ICE's website: www.ice.gov/outreach-pro...

"Participants ... experience HSI operations ... and learn how to partner with us to improve the safety and security of our local communities."

They're not really making a secret of this one.