True.

People still getting angry over a video's title.

He changed his mind about the address after everyone assumed and got excited about it being his resignation.

Nice one.

Every time.

I would love nothing more than to see Trump have to sit through Glass' Music in Twelve Parts. It would kill him.

We were having a discussion about how the two scenarios differ, yeah. You said one had "nefarious means" and now you're saying that term meant nothing.

I'm not ignoring it, I'm specifically telling you it has no relevance.

What relevance does "official" have here?

Great. So you agree with my original point, that people playing specific game are now under legal threat for engaging in a part of the game's design and genre?

If its not the legal definition then why did you use it to explain the difference between the two scenarios and the precedent were discussing? Waste of time.

So something that made a game special, the key part of it, is now under legal threat. That's bad, yes?

The theft is literally just an in game freemium currency. That's the entire issue here, Mark.

EVE players have committed many "nefarious" acts "outside of any gameplay". No? Gaining access to someone else's accounts and resources for their own illicit purposes is still hacking, so what protects those EVE players?

I think "nefarious" describes those actions well. So, again, what keeps them from being prosecuted?

VIP membership? None that in familiar with. I game times with monetary value? Many, but back to the actual discussion. "Nefarious means" is a broad term. Not sure if you're familiar with the many things people do outside of the game to gain an edge on the competitors, to destroy and steal things.

The thing being stolen can be used to purchase VIP membership, exactly like Ruenscape. So why can't players be prosecuted for that?

As is said, we could table that. And no, it's got value because you can use it to purchase something that can be used to then purchase premium member game time, specifically. That's where the value was determined. You can do the exact same thing in EVE. Which is why I asked about it.