Tim
@thredded.bsky.social
Leftie woke snowflake in the UK. Slightly despairing. Dad. Camera obsessive.
Dictionaries can cost money but they’re worth it. It might save you from pointlessly derailing a thread about the mistreatment of immigrants *today* with some needless signalling about an atrocity long past.
June 12, 2025 at 5:35 PM
Dictionaries can cost money but they’re worth it. It might save you from pointlessly derailing a thread about the mistreatment of immigrants *today* with some needless signalling about an atrocity long past.
You’re taking lessons from AI, this day just descended into farce.
June 12, 2025 at 5:28 PM
You’re taking lessons from AI, this day just descended into farce.
Well I’d suggest you look that word up, but you’ve probably imagined your own meaning for it already.
June 12, 2025 at 5:24 PM
Well I’d suggest you look that word up, but you’ve probably imagined your own meaning for it already.
If it helps, I feel like I’ve fallen into some kind of Orwellian doublespeak world. You’re here accusing me of destroying meaning while misappropriating words, refusing to accept definitions and rewriting dictionaries. I’m kind of sad about it too.
June 12, 2025 at 5:21 PM
If it helps, I feel like I’ve fallen into some kind of Orwellian doublespeak world. You’re here accusing me of destroying meaning while misappropriating words, refusing to accept definitions and rewriting dictionaries. I’m kind of sad about it too.
You keep trying to add extra conditions to every term you use. “Settlement” can’t be voluntary. “Residence” can’t be voluntary. Neither is true.
The slaves did come to permanently reside and settle in the US (and elsewhere). They did so at the will of their captors, but it still happened.
The slaves did come to permanently reside and settle in the US (and elsewhere). They did so at the will of their captors, but it still happened.
June 12, 2025 at 5:05 PM
You keep trying to add extra conditions to every term you use. “Settlement” can’t be voluntary. “Residence” can’t be voluntary. Neither is true.
The slaves did come to permanently reside and settle in the US (and elsewhere). They did so at the will of their captors, but it still happened.
The slaves did come to permanently reside and settle in the US (and elsewhere). They did so at the will of their captors, but it still happened.
The “standard” ones aren’t different. They tend to say “comes” to another country rather than “leaves” the other, but the meaning is no different at all. Not one of them talks about choice.
Did the slaves not settle? Where did they go? Where are their descendants now?
Did the slaves not settle? Where did they go? Where are their descendants now?
June 12, 2025 at 5:00 PM
The “standard” ones aren’t different. They tend to say “comes” to another country rather than “leaves” the other, but the meaning is no different at all. Not one of them talks about choice.
Did the slaves not settle? Where did they go? Where are their descendants now?
Did the slaves not settle? Where did they go? Where are their descendants now?
The definition I gave is “literally” in the first link I gave you, as I’ve demonstrated. Like the other definitions this just backs it up by not contradicting that in any way.
June 12, 2025 at 4:57 PM
The definition I gave is “literally” in the first link I gave you, as I’ve demonstrated. Like the other definitions this just backs it up by not contradicting that in any way.
No, they don’t. None of them do.
Perhaps you could cite or quote a single definition that does define an immigrant as *choosing* to come to another country?
Perhaps you could cite or quote a single definition that does define an immigrant as *choosing* to come to another country?
June 12, 2025 at 4:56 PM
No, they don’t. None of them do.
Perhaps you could cite or quote a single definition that does define an immigrant as *choosing* to come to another country?
Perhaps you could cite or quote a single definition that does define an immigrant as *choosing* to come to another country?
The definition I gave is “literally” in the first link I gave you, as I’ve demonstrated. This just backs it up by not contradicting it in any way.
June 12, 2025 at 4:54 PM
The definition I gave is “literally” in the first link I gave you, as I’ve demonstrated. This just backs it up by not contradicting it in any way.
Get over yourself and check a dictionary, before you carry on making assumptions about me for already knowing the meaning of a word.
The complete lack of self awareness in your post is pretty staggering fyi.
The complete lack of self awareness in your post is pretty staggering fyi.
June 12, 2025 at 4:48 PM
Get over yourself and check a dictionary, before you carry on making assumptions about me for already knowing the meaning of a word.
The complete lack of self awareness in your post is pretty staggering fyi.
The complete lack of self awareness in your post is pretty staggering fyi.
Seems like what you’re doing is wilfully embellishing words with extra meaning they simply don’t have, and in this case just obfuscating a worthwhile point in the process. I’m sure it’s well intentioned, but it’s incorrect and pretty unhelpful tbh.
June 12, 2025 at 4:38 PM
Seems like what you’re doing is wilfully embellishing words with extra meaning they simply don’t have, and in this case just obfuscating a worthwhile point in the process. I’m sure it’s well intentioned, but it’s incorrect and pretty unhelpful tbh.
None of these definitions speak about choice. The word itself comes from Latin, where it simply means “to move from one place to another”.
June 12, 2025 at 4:29 PM
None of these definitions speak about choice. The word itself comes from Latin, where it simply means “to move from one place to another”.
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June 12, 2025 at 4:26 PM
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No, it literally is the dictionary definition.
June 12, 2025 at 3:48 PM
No, it literally is the dictionary definition.
Call me a pedant but this insistence that to be an immigrant means you chose that status is simply incorrect. That’s not what the word means. It means you left one country to permanently settle in another, which is exactly what the enslaved did, against their will.
June 12, 2025 at 3:08 PM
Call me a pedant but this insistence that to be an immigrant means you chose that status is simply incorrect. That’s not what the word means. It means you left one country to permanently settle in another, which is exactly what the enslaved did, against their will.
But that’s not the definition of an immigrant. An immigrant is “a person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another”, it’s silent on choice or volition. Human trafficking or enslavement happen to people but they aren’t the noun for someone permanently settled in a new country.
June 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM
But that’s not the definition of an immigrant. An immigrant is “a person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another”, it’s silent on choice or volition. Human trafficking or enslavement happen to people but they aren’t the noun for someone permanently settled in a new country.
Don’t tell me what I am. I am sorry if I’ve misunderstood but I still don’t understand. People are being trafficked to the UK right now, some not by choice, they’re still immigrants. If you’re from the US, should I hold you responsible for the actions of your current (rather than historical) govt?
June 12, 2025 at 2:50 PM
Don’t tell me what I am. I am sorry if I’ve misunderstood but I still don’t understand. People are being trafficked to the UK right now, some not by choice, they’re still immigrants. If you’re from the US, should I hold you responsible for the actions of your current (rather than historical) govt?
Sorry but I don’t get this - I mean no disrespect at all but surely an enslaved person who’s forced to come to different country is still an immigrant? If you’re not indigenous to a country then you are an immigrant, whether you chose to be or not. I see no contradiction or erasure here.
June 12, 2025 at 7:50 AM
Sorry but I don’t get this - I mean no disrespect at all but surely an enslaved person who’s forced to come to different country is still an immigrant? If you’re not indigenous to a country then you are an immigrant, whether you chose to be or not. I see no contradiction or erasure here.
As a casual observer over in the UK, it’s hard to imagine a more un-American act than cancelling Sesame Street. It’s like shutting down McDonald’s or placing an export ban on Coca-Cola.
May 20, 2025 at 3:23 PM
As a casual observer over in the UK, it’s hard to imagine a more un-American act than cancelling Sesame Street. It’s like shutting down McDonald’s or placing an export ban on Coca-Cola.
Something tells me this isn’t the last laugh anyone will be having about this clusterfuck.
May 2, 2025 at 12:08 PM
Something tells me this isn’t the last laugh anyone will be having about this clusterfuck.