They polled 9000 nonvoters. There are millions in each state. A what-if scenario based on less than a percentage of the populace wont cut it. I also never said if all voters voted that Harris would have won. Just that there's history behind the electorate's and elected officials' shift to the right

Oh I felt this! That would literally be my worst nightmare.

Never said it's right just said that it's what has happened.

You keep making up things I said based on your own interpretations of my words. When did I say it was the fault of voters alone? I just stated that the left protesting elections causing a rightward shift is part of the problem.

So when I said the left is not in any way the only reason we are here what part of that didn't you understand?

Why did Dems back them instead? The Overton Window. That's my whole point with this. Not to bash the left but to describe what they have done to cause this because as a unit they are not infallible. They are not in any way the only reason why we are here but they do play their part as well.

And you're right about that. I think Dems should grow a backbone. But there's a reason why they haven't and it's the Overton Window. I brought up Bernie because he's been the left's ideal choice to lead since at least 2016. He runs extremely progressive every time and yet never wins. Why is that?

I never said the left literally never turns out for elections. That's your interpretation of my point. Again, why isn't Bernie Sanders our President if the left was really involved like you say they are?

So why isn't Bernie Sanders our President if the left turned out like you're saying they did? And I'm sure you misspoke when you said it "does need to not happen in every election" because that affirms my point not yours. But to that I would say that isn't how life works and you should know that.

1. You don't know history and are ashamed of it so you're being an asshole about it.
2. It doesn't need to happen in every. single. election. for it to be a phenomenon that continues.
3. You should look up "Overton Window Explained" on Youtube to better grasp the concept.

I said it's been happening since the late 1960s

The left told the parties to "eat shit" by abstaining from elections first. Then the parties shifted their messaging to center the voters who show up no matter what.

We've been dealing with the left abstaining from elections and causing the parties to stop catering to them since at least the late '60s. The Overton Window explains things pretty well. 2024 was just the latest example and that entire campaign basically exemplified the phenomenon.

Oh mandatory voting would be huge!