What is VERY concerning is the extremely wishy-washy response from chippy about this.

We need an opposition party strong on messaging:

"Red tape" protects people. Protects communities. Protects the environment.

"Too much red tape" is bad. But this govt's judgement has proven to be very bad.

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No. Tell hipkins to stop laying into the greens. HE is handing the right another victory. He's way too agreeable to the right on things he shouldn't be

Ahh what's that movie with Tim Curry in it? I need to watch it

@chrishipkins.bsky.social Labour's acting like the Dems prior to Trump's win: weak, tepid, pandering to the right.

It worked for Starmer because voters had a really long time to be sick of the incumbents... And the UK system let them win with only 34% of the vote.

Real progressive policy needed.

That's on you.

We need a RED Labour. Not this pale blue.

Labour (and their supporters) fail to recognise that weak policy doesn't win elections. Strong messaging does.

Eg: Hipkins could have pointed out, factually, 90% of last years rated rises were National's fault, they cancelled 3 waters fund.

This. A UBI would have a massive stimulating effect on the economy. A huge swathe of the population would have both more money and more time to invest in new projects.

I am accepting political reality: in the current situation with public service and the economy, we need better from Labour than what we are getting.

If we "can't change the government without Labour", all the more reason to be critical if what Labour is doing isn't good enough.

Your only argument has been "Labour needed". I have offered a bunch of reasons why that is not so. Your loyalty to the party is admirable, but it gets in the way of seeing the ways in which the party and its leader are doing and saying problematic things.

Name-calling is hugely counter-productive. I'm not wedded to any party, i want the best for New Zealand. Do you?

I'm not convinced Hipkins does.

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"fake it till you make it", or in this case, "fake it when you dont make it"

SUBSTANCE. Rather than projection. Even the NZCTU is saying give us a reason to vote Labour. #nzpol

That's on you. I was very clear about where i stand: Labour too "centrist" with policy, not a strong opposition, attacking their potential coalition partners... And leaving far too much speculation they will go with NZF.

This leads to concerns there will not be the changes needed for a better NZ.

Characterising my opinion as "whiny" rather than engaging with the substance of it is on you.

You keep repeating that as if it means something. and yes, i will be "whingey" because Labour is failing to meet the moment. You need to be better at situational awareness.

"you have no self awareness" doesnt mean anything. Just like your desperate "hypocrite" call. And finish the sentence properly: we need Labour TO MEET THE MOMENT. The AGM gave me very low confidence that Labour will do much to fix everything the current Coalition of Chaos has broken. Too timid.

Fair. I hope enough people realise that things are different now, much more dire, and we need a govt prepared to meet that moment.