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Ali believes your "Biology" is what makes you native or not, not any blend of ethnicity & culture. I feel this is transphobic because she pivots away from "Ethnicity" to "Biology" in a discussion with a trans woman & when pressed she claims ignorance with a Rachel Dolezal gif.
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No, I said I default to the tribe. It's not a monolith, and there may be times when I disagree with them, but ultimately it's a complex issue that I feel like you swept away with your 'biologic' statement. It's so much more complex than that, and I don't know why you chose that as your metric.
September 6, 2025 at 10:11 PM
No, I said I default to the tribe. It's not a monolith, and there may be times when I disagree with them, but ultimately it's a complex issue that I feel like you swept away with your 'biologic' statement. It's so much more complex than that, and I don't know why you chose that as your metric.
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And that's my issue. Because if it's just biological to you, not only do you disinherit a lot of Native people, even in contrast to their own enrollment, and then open up a can of worms with percentages of what make a person biologist or no. It's gross and imo, just not ok.
September 6, 2025 at 10:11 PM
And that's my issue. Because if it's just biological to you, not only do you disinherit a lot of Native people, even in contrast to their own enrollment, and then open up a can of worms with percentages of what make a person biologist or no. It's gross and imo, just not ok.
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And if that's not what you meant, and you threw 'biologic' out as a way of simplifying the other person's identity and invalidating their points of view, then that's not ok, and you owe it to your community to do better and choose your words better.
September 6, 2025 at 10:11 PM
And if that's not what you meant, and you threw 'biologic' out as a way of simplifying the other person's identity and invalidating their points of view, then that's not ok, and you owe it to your community to do better and choose your words better.
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Look fam. Unless you're talking about an actual disease or birds or something, just erase the word 'biologic' if you're talking about any person's identifier. Seriously. It's never anything good when someone does that.
September 6, 2025 at 11:13 PM
Look fam. Unless you're talking about an actual disease or birds or something, just erase the word 'biologic' if you're talking about any person's identifier. Seriously. It's never anything good when someone does that.
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I am not too proud to admit that conversations around 'blood' and Indigeny make me feel very insecure as a reconnecting Native. I have a literal, pathological fear of ending up like Lakotaman.
Don't let that happen to me you guys. I mean that. D:
Don't let that happen to me you guys. I mean that. D:
September 6, 2025 at 11:49 PM
I am not too proud to admit that conversations around 'blood' and Indigeny make me feel very insecure as a reconnecting Native. I have a literal, pathological fear of ending up like Lakotaman.
Don't let that happen to me you guys. I mean that. D:
Don't let that happen to me you guys. I mean that. D:
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I didn't say anything about being dark you are and what percentage you are this person said they weren't fucking Native.
And on THAT note, since you're coming at me for "oversimplifying their Identity" i --DID-- engage with them under the impression that they were Native until they said that THEY WEREN'T.
So it's not like this whole "biological" part came out of fucking nowhere.
So it's not like this whole "biological" part came out of fucking nowhere.
September 6, 2025 at 11:11 PM
I didn't say anything about being dark you are and what percentage you are this person said they weren't fucking Native.
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Holy racism Batman.
September 6, 2025 at 11:00 PM
Holy racism Batman.
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in bad faith!!!
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September 6, 2025 at 10:43 PM
in bad faith!!!
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And that's just how I feel about it. If that's your metric for measuring who is Native, please unfollow me, because that takes what has been a beautiful experience to me and makes it something cheap and racist, and I'm not about bringing those bad jubies into my circle.
September 6, 2025 at 10:18 PM
And that's just how I feel about it. If that's your metric for measuring who is Native, please unfollow me, because that takes what has been a beautiful experience to me and makes it something cheap and racist, and I'm not about bringing those bad jubies into my circle.
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And by that definition, anyone could rule MY Indigeny out by saying I'm only (1/12? Or whatever?) even though my biological grandmother was 100. And that's gross to me. Because so much of my experience and involvement has told me something vastly different.
September 6, 2025 at 10:18 PM
And by that definition, anyone could rule MY Indigeny out by saying I'm only (1/12? Or whatever?) even though my biological grandmother was 100. And that's gross to me. Because so much of my experience and involvement has told me something vastly different.
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Okay, so she doesn't. Again, not my point. If she did and the tribe called her Native, would you invalidate her because she's 'biologically' white? That's just straight up racist. YOU chose biologic as your metric. Not me. That was the word you used.
September 6, 2025 at 10:18 PM
Okay, so she doesn't. Again, not my point. If she did and the tribe called her Native, would you invalidate her because she's 'biologically' white? That's just straight up racist. YOU chose biologic as your metric. Not me. That was the word you used.
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See that doesn't sit right with me. That's where I have the issue. If she participates in the culture and the tribe felt like it could admit her via membership just for her contribution, she'd be Native to me. Blood would not be a factor.
September 6, 2025 at 10:06 PM
See that doesn't sit right with me. That's where I have the issue. If she participates in the culture and the tribe felt like it could admit her via membership just for her contribution, she'd be Native to me. Blood would not be a factor.
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That depends on the tribe, actually. Some tribes use a blood measurement, some don't. There are some tribes that only have a requirement of relation, you can be adopted and get membership. Some don't. Check with your families' tribal office!
September 6, 2025 at 9:33 PM
That depends on the tribe, actually. Some tribes use a blood measurement, some don't. There are some tribes that only have a requirement of relation, you can be adopted and get membership. Some don't. Check with your families' tribal office!
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But if they're from a mixed family, you don't get to decide if they're Native or not. You don't get to just boil it down to a percentage. That's what insults me. Tribes and community decide what makes a person Native. Not if you're 'biological' or not.
September 6, 2025 at 9:54 PM
But if they're from a mixed family, you don't get to decide if they're Native or not. You don't get to just boil it down to a percentage. That's what insults me. Tribes and community decide what makes a person Native. Not if you're 'biological' or not.
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No, they don't. That's exactly my point. Being Native is about a fukton more than just 'biological'. It's about tribal requirements, community involvement, and environment. What is insulting is just to put it down to 'biologics'.
If a person self IDs as white, that's one thing.
If a person self IDs as white, that's one thing.
September 6, 2025 at 9:54 PM
No, they don't. That's exactly my point. Being Native is about a fukton more than just 'biological'. It's about tribal requirements, community involvement, and environment. What is insulting is just to put it down to 'biologics'.
If a person self IDs as white, that's one thing.
If a person self IDs as white, that's one thing.
What is this supposed to mean?
September 6, 2025 at 9:56 PM
What is this supposed to mean?
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Again, what's the biological marker there? Are they white when they're more than half? 1/4? Or is it only if they look white? Because by your definition my kid would be Native because I am. But she's blond haired and blue eyes because my husband is a Scot. Is she white or Native?
My point is this:
My point is this:
September 6, 2025 at 9:40 PM
Again, what's the biological marker there? Are they white when they're more than half? 1/4? Or is it only if they look white? Because by your definition my kid would be Native because I am. But she's blond haired and blue eyes because my husband is a Scot. Is she white or Native?
My point is this:
My point is this:
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When do you consider a person to be 'biologically' Native? 1/12? 1/16? 1/4? 1/2? 1/32?
This is why we don't use blood quantum amongst ourselves. It's like a dog pedigree. And it's fuking gross.
This is why we don't use blood quantum amongst ourselves. It's like a dog pedigree. And it's fuking gross.
September 6, 2025 at 9:32 PM
When do you consider a person to be 'biologically' Native? 1/12? 1/16? 1/4? 1/2? 1/32?
This is why we don't use blood quantum amongst ourselves. It's like a dog pedigree. And it's fuking gross.
This is why we don't use blood quantum amongst ourselves. It's like a dog pedigree. And it's fuking gross.
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There are plenty of adopted people who are considered Native by their tribe even though they're adopted. They even have tribal status.
But for the record, my maternal grandmother is 100% Pima. But my mom was adopted by a white family. So what's the threshold there?
But for the record, my maternal grandmother is 100% Pima. But my mom was adopted by a white family. So what's the threshold there?
September 6, 2025 at 9:32 PM
There are plenty of adopted people who are considered Native by their tribe even though they're adopted. They even have tribal status.
But for the record, my maternal grandmother is 100% Pima. But my mom was adopted by a white family. So what's the threshold there?
But for the record, my maternal grandmother is 100% Pima. But my mom was adopted by a white family. So what's the threshold there?
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That almost makes it worse, because that means someone's Native identity is contingent on whether you like them or not. Would you invalidate me if you didn't like me?
That's frankly disturbing. And it goes against everything my community has taught me.
That's frankly disturbing. And it goes against everything my community has taught me.
September 6, 2025 at 9:21 PM
That almost makes it worse, because that means someone's Native identity is contingent on whether you like them or not. Would you invalidate me if you didn't like me?
That's frankly disturbing. And it goes against everything my community has taught me.
That's frankly disturbing. And it goes against everything my community has taught me.
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Because its my maternal grandmother. But my mom was adopted and raised by white people. Frankly if you're saying it's only biological I'm a little insulted-I've been taught for years it's more than that.
September 6, 2025 at 9:10 PM
Because its my maternal grandmother. But my mom was adopted and raised by white people. Frankly if you're saying it's only biological I'm a little insulted-I've been taught for years it's more than that.
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Wait. Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that blood quantum was a colonial construct and that community determined who was Native, not arbitrary white people percentages.
So I ask in all honesty. What do you consider Native? Because by your definition I wouldn't be.
So I ask in all honesty. What do you consider Native? Because by your definition I wouldn't be.
September 6, 2025 at 9:10 PM
Wait. Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that blood quantum was a colonial construct and that community determined who was Native, not arbitrary white people percentages.
So I ask in all honesty. What do you consider Native? Because by your definition I wouldn't be.
So I ask in all honesty. What do you consider Native? Because by your definition I wouldn't be.
6 Hours later & Ali is still posting about me to her feed to her 4 thousand followers.
September 6, 2025 at 9:09 PM
6 Hours later & Ali is still posting about me to her feed to her 4 thousand followers.
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we’re going to have to throw a lot of people in jail after all this is over
September 6, 2025 at 5:53 PM
we’re going to have to throw a lot of people in jail after all this is over