In Bryan's defense, we don't have any widely shared folklore or cultural teachings about the folly of trying to cheat death. I'm pretty sure things always work out well for people who think they can live forever.

Thank you!

I don't even see him as malicious. Just profoundly dumb.

Yes, I murdered that guy. But in my defense, I have a divergent life-preservation personality.

I see this as a design problem rather than an inherent golf problem. Golf courses can and should be designed to accommodate bike/pedestrian traffic through and around. There's also an important distinction to be made between private and municipal courses. We're talking about the latter here.

Right back at you, Charlie!

Oh yeah, I got where you were coming from. You just happened to hit a hobbyhorse of mine. 😂 These attitudes among well-meaning lefties are a big problem for urban municipal golf right now. It's a tough scene because golf courses are absolutely some of the last remaining vigorous "third spaces."

Also, after watching the Portland city council raid the self-sustaining golf enterprise fund in order to cover shortfalls elsewhere in the city budget earlier this year, I'm no longer going to countenance the financial arguments against municipal golf, either.

The environmental and land use arguments against public golf are often deeply unserious. It's one of those areas where I find myself very much at odds with people I agree with on almost everything else.

A pitch for watching Hustle or for watching Happy Gilmore 2?

I guess there's some ambiguity around WBYC's provenance, but I've always regarded it as primarily a Ross course.

That said, I think I get what you're driving at with "Belvedere/WBYC vibes" — old-school, modest design on good land — but not entirely sure.

Which vibes are you talking about? Cool courses, but pretty different (aside from the shared William Watson heritage, no longer really in evidence at WBYC)