I’m simply arguing that we should pay attention to recent history. You may want to look into the outcomes of procedural justice and implicit bias training

Possible you haven’t been following me for long enough on this one

And to be clear organizing more workplaces is not a trivial step. It takes a ton of work but produces huge benefits, and not just in the workplace. IMO unionization is political socialization

I think general strikes would fundamentally transform US politics, but that cuts both ways — as in, US political life would have to look radically different for an effective general strike to be organized

agreed bsky.app/profile/jben...

I actually don't really care if the stock market behaves this way forever, I just think we should have a policy infrastructure that completely separates those cycles from the everyday life of ordinary people

Eh, I think the initial post represents Block's rationality argument fairly well (given character limits). The structural position of capital means that it is inherently incapable of effectively sustaining through politics its broader agenda--it can't 'see' the political concerns

The major index funds have been booming for months on the same 10 companies sending each other $5 (billion) back and forth on venmo

see this old thread lol bsky.app/profile/jben...

Yeah. And I mean I think Bouie has a long track record of understanding this, so trying to give benefit of doubt slate.com/news-and-pol...

Basically, if you give moderates an opportunity to pass training reforms without touching ICE's budget, headcount, or technological capacity, the "on ramp" is really just an "off ramp," because they will be able to point to a bill they supported that deals with "the ICE problem."

Just to tie up the threads, I basically think so long as liberal politicians don't *actually* try to implement retraining reforms first (just pay lip service to sell the defund-ICE legislation) then that's ok. Actual implementation would burn all the outrage bsky.app/profile/jame...

Yeah I just mean like, to the extent that we're making the comparison, it's worth noting that ICE abolition has an easier path

Yeah if the point is that we should do a trojan horse bill I’m fine with that.

Tbh I’m not even sure that police abolition has to be debated in this context since ICE is a very new agency that’s much less popular than local police.

I think there would be a more solid case for something like “unmasking mandates”

This is just “why not say reform instead of defund?” Because one of those carries false assumptions and creates room for reactionary policy!