and he’s so lightning fast about it too (bc of course he is) that by the time the “make a substitution” texts came thru this man was already checking out 😭

is the point of instacart that you don’t actually get the items you ordered, and instead end up with a mystery box curated by your shopper???

My last reply was kinda harsh, the guy we’re talking with appears to speak German natively — there may just be a slight language barrier.

Bot is still on the table tho 😂

The two patterns are not mutually exclusive — you can inject singleton instances that are stored in the container.

This is the case for any well designed DI system

Those sorts of people will exist in every area of the industry, not just here with laravel. How about people who can’t write queries without doctrine? Or any kind of ORM? Symfony has them too.

You don’t need to use every part of the framework for it to be a useful foundation. We agree there is are a lot of unnecessary pieces to laravel — so don’t use them.

As a foundation for a web app, it serves its purpose quite well

I hate facades, I prefer as dependency injection directly into the class.

Singletons are a well accepted design pattern, avoiding them out of principle is a bad idea.

Static functions have their time and place. See above comments on DI/singletons.

Laravel has psr support.

Finally, I have never once stated any framework (especially laravel) is “best”. The only person who’s made comments in a context of “best and worst” is you: claiming that laravel is objectively “bad”, and “the sole bottleneck” of web applications.

When trying to get details on these opinions, you’ve called into question my own programming experience, the experience of others in this thread, and you’ve made generalizations that anyone using a particular framework must be naive or misled.

This is what prompted my “fuck you”.

Your first reply in this entire thread I agree with, yes: “laravel is bloatware” — to an extent. Your subsequent conversation with @nathanheffley.com has a lot of points I disagree with, such as the idea that laravel is “programmed poorly” or that it is an objectively poor choice of framework.