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Activism is what is happening in communities rebuffing ICE (good). Talking down to pithy cowards was never part of the activism. I certainly don't think you logged on today receptive to thinking ICE is practical to abolish and it's worthwhile to pursue that
January 22, 2026 at 5:29 AM
Just linked a pair of papers saying otherwise.

Based on what I'm seeing, a lot of activists are pretty pissed with Dems for saying ICE needs body cams and to strictly peacefully protest while ICE assaults their community. No reason they can't be activists and rightly call you guys dumbasses
January 22, 2026 at 5:18 AM
www.jstor.org/stable/23526...
www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10...

Which is to say, leading by example works. And if Jeffries gives up on abolishing ICE or never wants it from the get-go, that influences how his constituents and the party at large feel about it
Do Politicians Shape Public Opinion? on JSTOR
TETSUYA MATSUBAYASHI, Do Politicians Shape Public Opinion?, British Journal of Political Science, Vol. 43, No. 2 (APRIL 2013), pp. 451-478
www.jstor.org
January 22, 2026 at 5:13 AM
In my search, I found that ads dont influence undecideds much. I was wrong about that, I'll admit. Upping voter turnout in the aligned party and depressing in the opposition is noted tho.

However politicians actions and stances, not just ads, ABSOLUTELY influence public opinion, across the board
January 22, 2026 at 5:07 AM
Bc I'm not the target of those ads. Different messaging works on different people. Shocking.

And, not true! Social media ads increase votes, and ad messaging that supports your beliefs drives higher voter turnout (also good)
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
The role of social media ads for election outcomes: Evidence from the 2021 German election
Social media ads have become a key communication channel in politics. However, the relationship between political ads from social media and election outcomes is not fully understood. Here, we aim to estimate the association between online political ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
January 22, 2026 at 4:35 AM
Genuinely, please link that. I'd like the latest stats.

Consider that I'm not a middle aged lib or left leaning independent that would generally accept the Dems are trying their best. politicians spend fucktons of money on ads and campaign messaging bc they are effective
January 22, 2026 at 4:21 AM
1)obv replying to your truthout comment
2)it's 46%
3)46% vs 43% is an unheard-of jump in support
4)think of how much better that could be if there was party messaging supporting abolish instead of making concessions unprompted
January 22, 2026 at 4:11 AM
Surely replying to dipshits is all I do. It doesn't pay well, but I do it, and only it, for the love of the game
January 22, 2026 at 4:02 AM
How about forbes, yougov. Pick a poll and Dems are more in favor of abolish every day. Maybe you point out truthout not bc it's propaganda, but bc you can't meaningfully decry the others and would have to concede that popularity isn't an excuse to settle for half measures
January 22, 2026 at 3:59 AM
According to you, you're already in the 'abolish ICE' camp. You just don't SUPPORT it unless a majority agrees, so how do you think we get there genius. While the rest of us push for it, you uphold your values only when they reach critical mass of public support. spineless.
January 22, 2026 at 3:54 AM
Libs that assume the public wants an ineffective half solution instead of seizing the momentum to build support for meaningful change are 1:1 spineless wastes and confidently wrong
January 22, 2026 at 3:36 AM
I was assured by some very wise Dems that giving them more money for bodycams is much easier to sell than "they are brutalizing people in the streets and we have video"
January 21, 2026 at 8:54 PM
"Yelling at German Roma for not understanding what a bad egg Hitler is" energy
January 21, 2026 at 4:48 PM
Absolutely infuriating. As if cops don't turn off body cams and "lose footage" all the time. As if any of that would stop their already fascist operations. As if there will be any accountability for making sure the spending guidelines are followed. As if there will be accountability, period
January 20, 2026 at 4:57 PM
Are you illiterate. Connect the dots between de-funding vs re-training ICE, Joannes implicit comparison of 'abolish police' and 'abolish ICE' public opinion, and this article showing there's already a majority that support de-funding ICE. Take your time, let me know if you need help with big words
January 16, 2026 at 2:06 PM
Maybe preemptively giving up against imminent threats is why fewer and fewer people trust Dems. There's so much support for defunding ICE, mounting every day MN atrocities go on. lawmakers are bungling what should be a layup of policy proposal thehill.com/homenews/adm...
thehill.com
January 16, 2026 at 11:58 AM
They need training to know that beating a brown teenager and dumping him in a parking lot miles away is bad??? To not flash bang a car full of kids?? Dawg they need to be put in psych wards, not given a check to pretty please train your freaks to be freaks with decorum
January 16, 2026 at 11:50 AM
This is maybe THE fundamental misunderstanding. His training is neither here nor there bc ICE is fundamentally cruel and vindictive, and you can't train that out of the people ICE attracts. The whole point is they already know rules of conduct and do horrible shit anyway
January 16, 2026 at 11:48 AM
Libs understand the core democratic value "votes are earned" challenge **IMPOSSIBLE** **RUNS HILLARY AGAIN???**
January 16, 2026 at 11:14 AM
You're looking at it. Suffer tremendously while it takes you guys forever to say "maybe the hope of incremental progress made by throwing more money at ICE isn't cutting it"

Can you explain why telling the plain truth would not persuade voters and how "better training for ICE" would work better?
January 15, 2026 at 4:57 PM
So politicians should be spreading the word and if the voters aren't moved by it, well. Hard to share a society with folks that don't care about a police state until it hurts them personally. I call those folks consevatives
January 15, 2026 at 4:39 PM