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Supporter of National Parks, Forests, and Public Lands. Professional Gulfstream Pilot, optimistic future Astronaut.
I think we view what the actual situation is differently, which is likely the root of our civil yet obvious disagreement
March 22, 2025 at 2:03 AM
I think we view what the actual situation is differently, which is likely the root of our civil yet obvious disagreement
If he is not involved, and they make beneficial changes such as addressing clean up of failed launches, etc, I’d argue most would benefit. Space-based technology has improved many industries.
And so I understand right, what is the alternative to play dough if no one may be trusted?
And so I understand right, what is the alternative to play dough if no one may be trusted?
March 22, 2025 at 2:02 AM
If he is not involved, and they make beneficial changes such as addressing clean up of failed launches, etc, I’d argue most would benefit. Space-based technology has improved many industries.
And so I understand right, what is the alternative to play dough if no one may be trusted?
And so I understand right, what is the alternative to play dough if no one may be trusted?
Not to be too cliche, but I guess I just personally invest in the “be the change you want to see” mantra. For you, perhaps that is not being a part of the problem. For me, it’s to stay and exhaust every resource I have to effect change first. I think both are acceptable
March 22, 2025 at 1:35 AM
Not to be too cliche, but I guess I just personally invest in the “be the change you want to see” mantra. For you, perhaps that is not being a part of the problem. For me, it’s to stay and exhaust every resource I have to effect change first. I think both are acceptable
It is hard to fight a top down culture, but it does happen, as I’ve witnessed first hand. But I’ve also been in the position where I saw there would be no middle ground and so left out of the same feeling of moral obligation. I personally know more than a few at SX and believe they can make change.
March 22, 2025 at 1:30 AM
It is hard to fight a top down culture, but it does happen, as I’ve witnessed first hand. But I’ve also been in the position where I saw there would be no middle ground and so left out of the same feeling of moral obligation. I personally know more than a few at SX and believe they can make change.
As for a moral obligation to leave, sometimes it is easier to effect change from the inside.
March 22, 2025 at 1:19 AM
As for a moral obligation to leave, sometimes it is easier to effect change from the inside.
Again, I appreciate your rational and calm approach to these discussions.
I can agree with that point, that not doing business with him and companies he helms is a valid point of discourse. Perhaps I was siderailed by semantics of saying the company should be abolished. I think that’s not it.
I can agree with that point, that not doing business with him and companies he helms is a valid point of discourse. Perhaps I was siderailed by semantics of saying the company should be abolished. I think that’s not it.
March 22, 2025 at 1:18 AM
Again, I appreciate your rational and calm approach to these discussions.
I can agree with that point, that not doing business with him and companies he helms is a valid point of discourse. Perhaps I was siderailed by semantics of saying the company should be abolished. I think that’s not it.
I can agree with that point, that not doing business with him and companies he helms is a valid point of discourse. Perhaps I was siderailed by semantics of saying the company should be abolished. I think that’s not it.
I wholly agree the monopoly is bad, which is why I strongly support Rocket Lab and several other startups as well. We should be increasing competition. But as is the case with Tesla, better to do it through market forces than just calling for its dismantling.
March 21, 2025 at 11:35 PM
I wholly agree the monopoly is bad, which is why I strongly support Rocket Lab and several other startups as well. We should be increasing competition. But as is the case with Tesla, better to do it through market forces than just calling for its dismantling.
Removing him and removing the company are two entirely separately topics. SpaceX runs very well under Gwynne Shotwell and the other leaders when he’s not meddling.
March 21, 2025 at 11:31 PM
Removing him and removing the company are two entirely separately topics. SpaceX runs very well under Gwynne Shotwell and the other leaders when he’s not meddling.
2. Von Braun’s work did pioneer some terrible weapons, and he took funding from sources who were devoted to war. The analogy isn’t quite sound. Further, without his contributions we would never have had the Apollo program.
I appreciate your viewpoint but you’re speaking passionately not logically.
I appreciate your viewpoint but you’re speaking passionately not logically.
March 21, 2025 at 11:21 PM
2. Von Braun’s work did pioneer some terrible weapons, and he took funding from sources who were devoted to war. The analogy isn’t quite sound. Further, without his contributions we would never have had the Apollo program.
I appreciate your viewpoint but you’re speaking passionately not logically.
I appreciate your viewpoint but you’re speaking passionately not logically.
1. Torpedoing the entire company wouldn’t benefit much of the country. They’re responsible for getting 90% of the world’s mass to orbit, and bring a fair amount of economic benefit to California and Texas. It would also make us dependent on primarily Russian lift options.
March 21, 2025 at 11:19 PM
1. Torpedoing the entire company wouldn’t benefit much of the country. They’re responsible for getting 90% of the world’s mass to orbit, and bring a fair amount of economic benefit to California and Texas. It would also make us dependent on primarily Russian lift options.
Also, hate never defeats hate, only grows it.
March 21, 2025 at 11:05 PM
Also, hate never defeats hate, only grows it.
I don’t think that’s what most of them signed up for. They signed up for the promise of revolutionizing space transport. And I’m quite certain a number of them are just as upset with Musk’s actions as you are. Surely there are some who hope to see the company mission through, despite poor politics
March 21, 2025 at 11:04 PM
I don’t think that’s what most of them signed up for. They signed up for the promise of revolutionizing space transport. And I’m quite certain a number of them are just as upset with Musk’s actions as you are. Surely there are some who hope to see the company mission through, despite poor politics
Absolutely agree. The targets are always way off estimate. I think that’s a solid argument to will it actually do what he says. They do manage to do more than most think is possible, but it’s still far short of the promise.
Thanks for the respectful back & forth, enjoyed the conversation.
Thanks for the respectful back & forth, enjoyed the conversation.
March 19, 2025 at 2:05 PM
Absolutely agree. The targets are always way off estimate. I think that’s a solid argument to will it actually do what he says. They do manage to do more than most think is possible, but it’s still far short of the promise.
Thanks for the respectful back & forth, enjoyed the conversation.
Thanks for the respectful back & forth, enjoyed the conversation.
They also make a few incorrect citations, such as saying the most recent launch activated the flight termination system (FTS). My issue with the piece is mostly that their knowledge seems a bit too cursory to make such pointed accusations.
March 19, 2025 at 1:51 PM
They also make a few incorrect citations, such as saying the most recent launch activated the flight termination system (FTS). My issue with the piece is mostly that their knowledge seems a bit too cursory to make such pointed accusations.
I saw that part of the piece, but I’m skeptical because they relate it very loosely. Perhaps that’s done for the benefit of the layman but they really lost me at “where did they lose weight? By sacrificing safety.” SX is well known for deleting parts and simplifying design.
March 19, 2025 at 1:47 PM
I saw that part of the piece, but I’m skeptical because they relate it very loosely. Perhaps that’s done for the benefit of the layman but they really lost me at “where did they lose weight? By sacrificing safety.” SX is well known for deleting parts and simplifying design.
Yes, considering how they approach design and testing it’s likely the vibration patterns they’re seeing are affected differently once in orbit vs on a test stand. Perhaps not quite the same as Cybertruck but I see the point you’re making. Either way it’s definitely a problem to be addressed
March 19, 2025 at 1:30 PM
Yes, considering how they approach design and testing it’s likely the vibration patterns they’re seeing are affected differently once in orbit vs on a test stand. Perhaps not quite the same as Cybertruck but I see the point you’re making. Either way it’s definitely a problem to be addressed
There clearly are design problems, but I don’t buy in to it was doomed from the start, or that it’s being purposely designed to fail. The Starship project represents by a wide margin the largest expenditure on the company books, and it needs to succeed to keep the company out of the red.
March 19, 2025 at 1:07 PM
There clearly are design problems, but I don’t buy in to it was doomed from the start, or that it’s being purposely designed to fail. The Starship project represents by a wide margin the largest expenditure on the company books, and it needs to succeed to keep the company out of the red.
SpaceX famously failed several times in their journey, only to continue their process. Their first rocket is the most classic example, but people had similar dissents about landing Falcon 9 and making it reusable, and now it’s as commonplace as aircraft landings.
March 19, 2025 at 1:05 PM
SpaceX famously failed several times in their journey, only to continue their process. Their first rocket is the most classic example, but people had similar dissents about landing Falcon 9 and making it reusable, and now it’s as commonplace as aircraft landings.
So, there’s a difference between saying you disagree with a person and their actions and conjuring some alternative desire of several thousand employees. The engineers at SpaceX are all hungry, hard working, believers in their product - not necessarily in the “lead designer.”
March 19, 2025 at 1:03 PM
So, there’s a difference between saying you disagree with a person and their actions and conjuring some alternative desire of several thousand employees. The engineers at SpaceX are all hungry, hard working, believers in their product - not necessarily in the “lead designer.”
I say this as I’m exasperated trying to have a civil conversation with my mother, who is ardently opposed to my views, and takes the position of a 7 year old who complains about being splashed in the pool, but then will splash others as soon as they’re silenced.
March 19, 2025 at 12:47 PM
I say this as I’m exasperated trying to have a civil conversation with my mother, who is ardently opposed to my views, and takes the position of a 7 year old who complains about being splashed in the pool, but then will splash others as soon as they’re silenced.