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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

it's more than a little crazy making that the last decade has been a decided slide down the slippery slope to total loss of reproductive freedom and yet at every point the Smart Cool take has been that the women crying misogyny are hysterical

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

but anyway happy christmas

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

anyway happy christmas 🎄🎄🎄

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Fourth Crown War FPV Drone Operator 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 12h

not one of you has actually said "you are not inferior for not having children", probably because you do in fact believe that we are :)

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

No one seems willing to admit that's its obvious why you might not want a government that phrases policy in openly misogynistic terms, *even if the policy is economically identical.* It's a vision of economic policy as a video game or a program instead of something implemented by people

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

the funny thing is I searched on the /r/natalism subreddit for this topic and there is universal rejection and disgust so this really truly is a Bluesky special

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

Can't help but think it's intentional!

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

But I repeat myself

bsky.app/profile/iid....

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

A government that understands its purpose as punishing women who fail to produce children is a reactionary misogynistic government. This does matter and is material.

Philo @opfuchs.gay · 15h

Perhaps in terms of the raw accounting yes they are the same, but the symbolic politics of "tax relief for a big life expense" vs. "punitive tax for non-participation in the heterosexual reproductive project" are extremely different. And symbolic politics are not "merely" so but themselves material.

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

It adds up to the same thing! yes, we did have to hire a bunch of sweaty guys who were really excited to punch the "tax the whores" button, but I'm sure that's fine. It adds up to the same thing!

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

but I repeat myself

bsky.app/profile/iid....

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

me explaining the concept of path dependence to economists who want to put a sin tax on reproductive choices

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

I'm sorry but it is ridiculous to pretend that that post read like a proposal to expand the child credit rather than a proposal to do a sin tax on childlessness. It's bald faced lying to pretend that that's what it says, and it's farcical to pretend those things aren't different.

Jack 대한 @jdaehan1.bsky.social · 14h

When people say we have a literacy crisis they need to include their fellow progressives and libs. Insane replies on a post that is just explaining the Child Tax Credit

William B. Fuckley @opinionhaver.bsky.social · 17h

My most controversial take on this is probably that while I think reproductive freedom should be sacrosanct, I don’t really have any problem with additional taxes on (high income) childless people. Someone gotta pay into the pensions!

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

anyway happy christmas 🎄🎄🎄

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

me explaining the concept of path dependence to economists who want to put a sin tax on reproductive choices

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

well, yes, except that roughly half the country believes Trump creates reality

southpaw @nycsouthpaw.bsky.social · 12h

Everyone can set aside partisanship, psychologizing, pathologizing, whatever, and—I would hope—still see that it’s incredibly dangerous for a political leader to be this disconnected from the real conditions in the country.

Aaron Rupar @atrupar.com · 13h

Trump: "I don't know what could be worse than Portland. You don't even have stores anymore. They don't even put glass up. They put plywood on their windows."

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

Oh also as a note this happened while I was standing next to a male colleague who is also childless, and older than me; nothing was said to him.

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 16h

if you’re wondering why birth rate stuff is personal it’s because I have gotten shamed multiple times, AT MY WORKPLACE, in public, in front of colleagues, by men who felt the need to accuse me of selfishness when I said I don’t have children. Explicitly making my reproductive choices their business

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

Colin turn away. Avert your eyes lest ye melt like the guys in raiders of the lost ark

skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

Guy who just really fucking loves to type “barren whores” has logged on

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

Makes ya think

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

like why would a guys hobby be going online and getting everyone riled up about whether or not childless women are leeches on society. what particular condition of the mind would make someone do that. Food for thought!

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 10h

don’t think that poster is a eugenicist or anti immigration btw, I know he’s pro immigration. but he is the poster most responsible for bringing up the natalist argument On Here over and over and always goes the line of “punishing barren whores” and at some point you have to wonder.

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

Honestly, if I had the ability to force every man who floats this stuff to endure pregnancy,

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

I am so fucking sick of my body being a topic for men who will never bleed out on a birthing table to speculate and chuckle about in their dispassionate “well it’s just plain economics” smugness. They outright refuse to understand how dehumanizing this whole conversation is

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Fourth Crown War FPV Drone Operator 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 17h

Weird how not a single one of the people who revive natalism discourse on this website are women.

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

This is some real “I struggle to discern the subtleties in human interaction” posting

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

The thing is we already have childlessness taxes. The numbers have been crunched: the tax on singles adds up to well north of a million dollars over a life time. The natalists have what they want, they have always had it. but it’s not enough, they need to fantasize about punishing women more

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skelly @iid.bsky.social · 11h

A) charisma bears everything else
B) as a politician it’s better to be aspirational than relatable. It’s like being a pop star: you’re supposed to present as super human, that’s the whole appeal

Will Stancil @whstancil.bsky.social · 1d

The most effective Democratic messenger of my lifetime is the guy who broke every single rule Democrats are currently trying to follow: Barack Hussein Obama, the guy with the weird name who talked like a professor, made sweeping appeals to higher principles, and never once appeared salt-of-the-earth

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