My first thought was that this might be an over-reaction. Of course, bsky uses automatic labeling as part of their moderation of images and videos. It is impossible not to.

But looking at Hive's ToS and other documentation, there is no limitation on Hive using submitted content to train their genAI

Very interesting. Yeah in general I assume companies can and are incentivized to train on their customer data unless they explicitly cannot through license or agreement.

The main thing I don’t like is the lack of choice. I want artists to be able to opt out of a 3rd party training

Definitely can all be scraped. And probably are by multiple sources.

The only question I was raising was whether The Hive specifically who they’re feeding all images to is doing it.

Yeah I’m sorry. This definitely escalated beyond my control.

Exactly. Honestly this was a really old post of mine, I think at the time the privacy policy did say they retained that right but I don’t see it any more.

I apologize if I have spread misinformation. I do NOT know whether or not they are using it for training gen ai. I just was worried 2 years ago

important note is that while hive does have genai image stuff, it's limited to stock stable diffusion and flux. they are not making new models and are not using bsky images to train them, they're doing software as a service for open source image generators.

seeing this screenshot and a lot of ₊˚⊹♡ discourse ♡⊹˚₊

1) this is from 2 years ago, privacy policies change
2) pretty sure hive deletes customer data after like 2 weeks

hive is NOT generative AI, they use AI models and traditional ML for spam and abuse and safety purposes

I would still like to see something in their policy that says they will not train on customer data. Has anyone seen anything about that?

That is really good. I feel terrible if this old post of mine is spreading incorrect information 😥 I will keep looking into this and I guess delete so as to not spread misinformation if so.

You’re right I can’t either any more. I would note I originally posted this 2 years ago, and the privacy policy was last updated in May of this year.

I don’t disagree per se. The issue I have is primarily if the labeling service they use also trains on those images.

Well said.

I think the reason this post of mine is being revisited is that someone from Bluesky today confirmed they use The Hive for auto labeling images.

So it’s really a question of does Bluesky’s deal with Hive *prevent* The Hive from training on images? Because their normal policy gives them that right

Indeed :(

I hope they remedy this but I am not expecting them to at this time

You don’t need to become an expert on AT Protocol, you don’t need to learn to code, but I really do want to impress upon people that “federated social media” is a vitally important concept in a time of global authoritarian and technofeudalist consolidation.

Yes I agree with you completely

You raise good points. You definitely have got me feeling a bit of a smarmy shit and wanting to correct myself.

for what it’s worth, I am willing to change. :( I want Bluesky to succeed in decentralizing. I fear it being bought. it has been easier for me to understand Mastodon’s decentralization

I can’t edit. So I will go ahead and delete to not further misinform. Thank you again

Woah! Thank you for corrected me. I will edit and probably delete the original message. This is great to hear

A 2 way check sounds good. I don’t see why that goal had to be accomplished by building in a way for “trusted authorities” to circumvent a 2 way check

Sure, you need to have that domain have an A tag pointing to your account. Sounds like you already understand this. Is your question why i think circumventing this check is a bad thing?

This approach is “mocking” 2 way verification, ie reproducing the results without the true checks.

When we are referring to “self verification”, what we are really referring to is 2 way verification. I say I am associated with a website. And the website says I am associated with the website. Check.

What BS is rolling out is 1 way verification. BS or one of their appointees says if you get check