Terry McGlynn
@hormiga.bsky.social
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Ecologist, entomologist, writer. Chair of Academic Senate and Professor at CSU Dominguez Hills. ScienceForEveryone.science and I'm the Small Pond Science guy. he/him Black Lives Matter. In favor of DEI, justice, access, opportunity. Abolish ICE.
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hmmm. yeah. I've only started down this road but I think two ways to approach this is to actually hand over the dataset and ask gpt to conduct the analyses and then, or ask gpt to give you the code (to run in rstudio). I wonder which one is more or less error prone or if it doesn't matter
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(just asking because I've had replies (online and otherwise) all over the map about capabilities, and I'm wondering how of much of this is about the version folks are using. Everybody using Claude Code seem to get it to do precisely what they ask it to, as long as the prompts are highly specific)
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have you been using ChatGPT5 (the new one?)
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That is crux of where we are, I think.

I think it's down to how our communities build consensus and how this winds up in peer review. In my field I know I'll be pushing for emphasizing the human element as much as possible (insofar as the coding aspect is akin to point-and-click software)
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and that's the problem. Which is where I was leaving us off with something along the lines of 'what do we need to teach, and how we need to teach differently'
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(I didn't read it as "ignoring" ethics.) It didn't get around to mentioning it and I think most of us agree that scientific ethics should be foundational for all of our teaching and training. And yeah, we need to be a lot more explicit about novel ethical challenges associated with the novel tech.
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that's a good point. In that case, I wonder if the people who created point-and-click stats software like GraphPad are also considered to be people debasing the art of coding when they run stats and build figures.
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In non-fiction I'm interested in WHEN TREES TESTIFY: SCIENCE, WISDOM, HISTORY, AND AMERICA’S BLACK BOTANICAL LEGACY by Beronda L. Montgomery. She was recently a Michigan State prof, so I'm partial. #ewgc #booksky
Book cover: Green foliage including fruit, leaves, and flowers, frame the title on a black background.
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Also considering how much the community who have grown the R stats into what it is have been all about transparency, public archival, etc., then we shouldn't have any worries about copyright or privacy when it comes to training AIs with previously existing code.
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For those who see the coding process to do statistics as an inherently human endeavor and introducing a robot into the process degrades the art and humanity, I can see why some folks feel that way. But that's not how I feel about it. I see it like driving a car to get from one place to another.
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I also think that data management using code created by a robot is not a creative endeavor. But it works. And after you decide on your experimental design and statistical approach, getting a robot to develop that code to make that happen is not art, and that it works.
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I can understand that developing efficient and elegant pipelines for data management and the process of making scientific decisions and then codifying them in code to see the results of those decisions is a creative endeavor.

AND....
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I suppose for people who have invested a huge amount of time to develop the technical skills to code to be able to manage complex datasets and run statistical tests, it's weird to see that it is now possible for other people to have that stuff done by a robot.
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It’s easy to imagine because people say and do this all the time.

I don’t because I think art is a human endeavor. I think choosing and interpreting statistics is, too. But getting numbers to line up and generate a test statistic (from a test devised by people), I don’t think it needs to be.
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Have you worked with Chatgpt5 or Claude code?
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I’m so sorry. And I promise that everybody in my shop comes first, and anyhow nobody around me cares about grants and pubs as much as the success of our students.
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I’m calling it a night but not ignoring you! Want to learn more from you later. Thanks as always 💙
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If you give some variables to R and tell it to run a basic glm, reading the output is how you learn I think. (Regardless of how that output is generated. But yeah gotta read the code to know why you got the output)
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I appreciate your respect! And yes I stopped at like 2000 words but there’s a lot more to this!
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Math, logic, experimental design
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It’s totally a bullshit machine but it also can write highly effective and well annotated code. But just because the code works, is it doesn’t mean we should trust it.

Can’t trust a calculator if your finger slips, for that matter
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It’s a complex issue and I was only dealing with some aspects of it. I am multitudes
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I know you’re not! You’re a trusted friend of course!!

*Coding is not stats, stats is not coding* is what I was thinking when I wrote that