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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

Yeah, but that happened.

The Arabs weren't giving Palestinians a state either, they had the chance to do so, but Jordan didn't do it in the West Bank when they had control of it till 67, and Egypt didn't do it when they had control of Gaza until 67. There are 2 million Arab-Israelis living happily

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

Nevermind, I found him.

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

I just checked and I can't find where I'm following Tom Nichols?

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

You mean you won't believe his scholarship because he's Jewish, right?

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

I get that proportionality is the strongest argument, of course, Hamas could have just turned over the hostages and not hid in tunnels that required bunker buster bombs. Gaza didn't get that way in a day. It's been 2 years.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 1h

I have no earthly idea. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll fix that. It may was accidental.

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

That was the Bronze Age, and that was about 3300 BEFORE THE YEAR O. Many tribes came from Canaanites; I don't think Palestinians have anything to do with Amalekites. I think they died out. They might represent 'the enemy" in USAian terms. I don't base my support for Israel on religion.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

Tell that to anthropologist @dgoldman.bsky.social for some authority on this issue

Some Palestinians who deeply love that land, could claim indigeneity on a couple of points, but they do not have the same indigenous claim that Jews have on so many of those points laid out by UN. Why is this evena ?

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

I don't know why this app won't accept the word "Absurdist" but that's what I meant to write.

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

I think you read the intro, and used that as your point, without including the attributes they list as if that wasn't important. It is important. That's ancient JUDEA, JEWISH, ancestral lands, monuments, relics, the only Temple in the whole of the world, belonging to Jews. That's the JEWISH homeland

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

Palestinians have no distinct culture, language, or belief systems different from surrounding nations. They speak Arabic, they're Muslim, and the only unique cultural attribute is a type of weave they developed. Their culture is not tied to the ancient land, they're treasured sites are not there.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

• Resolve to maintain and reproduce their ancestral environments and systems as distinctive peoples and
communities.
A question of identity
• According to the UN the most fruitful approach is to identify, rather than define indigenous peoples.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

Strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources
• Distinct social, economic or political systems
• Distinct language, culture and beliefs
• Form non-dominant groups of society
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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

Self- identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their
member.
• Self- identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their
member.
• Historical continuity with pre-colonial societies.
Cont

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

"Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by
any UN-system body. Instead the system has developed a modern understanding of this term based on the
following:

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 2h

That's a war, cumulative for 2 years. You don't want to go to war, don't pick fights you're so absolutely going to use, and don't use your civilians as human shields while your terrorist ass hides in tunnels down below or off to Qatar in a 5 star hotel.

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Thats why there must be some right of return, but refugee status doesn't extend down to the nth generation. Compensation and some right of return are just.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Britain is not a tribal land, it's composed of many ancient tribes. Britain grants citizenship preference to all of the former colonial citizens.

There are criteria to be met (UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People) and you have to meet that or the group is not indigenous.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Which, I uploaded the map?

Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

But what area are you asking about. I'm mostly answering how it is inside what the whole world considers Israel.

There's the West Bank

Then there's Gaza

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Yes, except I would like to see any discrimination eradicated and I would like to see that happen here too.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

They will have the rights of their own country. But, the 2 million citizens of Israel who are not Jewish should all the rights they have under law
Jews have indigeneity to Israel. Jews are an ethnicity not just a religion. If there is a Jew born in Canada, that Jew can come back to their tribal land

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Yes, I believe some right-of-return will be involved as it always has been in any negotiations
Take a neutral place: My great-grandparents lived on Choctaw land, the tribe approved that, and they were not members of the tribe, but they still had all rights. I think non-Jews in Israel have it better.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

With a Palestinian State, they will have their own place to live, work and breath. I'm all for that. I'm not in favor of West Bank expansion and think a final border settlement will require the removal of settlements with land-swaps in some places, like if it's the middle of Manhattan, not split up.

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Sheila @sheilagreenfield.bsky.social · 3h

Incidentally* sorry.